As the prior post is filling up with comments, it’s time to start another one to continue the conversation.
And since it’s year end, an opportunity to look back. It’s almost 10 years since the 144,000 were sealed in February of 2008 — except there are yet more to seal. Almost 5 years since Ron went to prison, and about 2 years since his release. Just another year of probation to go, perhaps he will have more options for overseas travel.
Ron is already waffling about Christ’s next return scheduled for Pentecost of 2019, and telegraphing that we may possibly have another set of the two witnesses. If that happens, I expect there to be some continuity with the Weinland family continuing to manage the family false prophecy business.
It’s now one week since the Last Great Day. PKG still doesn’t have a link to the sermon for that day on their website, nor does it have a link to last Saturday’s sermon.
But yesterday they posted the Last Great Day sermon in the PKG YouTube channel. In it Ron recycled his usual sermon about “this way of life, yada yada”. He did tell people that the “sealing” has not taken place, now almost 10 years after it first happened early in 2008.
He also talked about his latest book Prophesy Against the Nations. He doesn’t plan to print paper copies, but has PDF copies on a new website with the URL being the first two words of the book title. Ron fancies himself to be a search engine optimization (SEO) expert. He wants his members to perform a Google search on the book title and click on the link every day — doing that will increase the site rankings in Google. Now I’m not an SEO expert myself, but do know a little bit about it. Enough to know that Ron is much, much better at selling false prophecy than he is at SEO.
And he’s telegraphed that there will be a feast next year. Surprise, surprise.
It seems that something prophetic is going to happen today. In case you’re interested, here’s someone else who likes calculating dates and drawing charts.
But just in case we survive today, the discussion may continue here of Weinland’s failure to warn of the recent hurricanes he no doubt called down upon us. But perhaps he was distracted by reductions in revenues, particularly if he hasn’t yet paid the taxes he owes from 9 through 14 years ago.
I’ve been obviously disengaged for some time now. Received an email request to start a new blog post to keep the comment list from getting too long. Here it is. Play nicely.
“Take Action” is the name of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s newest sermon series. The action he is discussing is a church-wide fast, but not anything Two-Witness like. There is a mention of heat — but not from fire emanating either from his mouth or the Silent Witness. Rather, it is a reference to the weather and that now PKG members are allowed to wear more casual clothes when coming before God.
In previous sermons, he has indicated that he will be going to Europe for the feast instead of Australia which he has done in the years 2008 through 2011. In 2012 he spent the feast in the basement of his mansion on the golf course wearing a GPS ankle bracelet because he had been convicted of criminal tax fraud and was awaiting sentencing. In 2013, 2014, and 2015 God placed his name on the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Institute where Ron was incarcerated. This year it seems that he can’t get a visa for New Zealand and Australia because of his conviction with other countries like Canada and the UK also unwilling to have him visit. No doubt he will soon exercise his Witness power to call down plagues on countries that reject him.
It’s been May since Ron posted on his blog, and April since my last post. The number of comments on that post has grown to over 300 so this one can be used to continue conversations.
On a personal note, I obviously have been much less involved with this blog although I do monitor what’s going on. I grew up in Armstrongism in the 60s while it was still called the Radio Church of God. I rejected Armstrongism before Herbie’s Great Tribulation failed to materialize in 1972. Since then I’ve led my on life including having a family and a successful technical career. I began blogging in 2008 before the first time Ron’s Great Tribulation failed to start. This has been an opportunity for me to work through my own personal experiences in Armstrongism and have decided to focus on other things. I will keep the blog open, and continue to monitor things. If Ron does something Witness-like I would start up again unless that Witness-like thing is the enforcement of the death curse he issued twice in 2008.
False Prophet Ronald Weinland has posted most of chapter 6 of his new book on his blog. In his latest installment, he starts off with the example of God’s test to see whether Abraham was willing to sacrifice Isaac. This then segues to God’s test of PKG to see whether they would believe that Christ would return on Pentecost of 2012 even though he had already decided that he would send Christ back in 2019.
What really happened was that the god who lives between Ron’s ears decided late in June of 2008 that the return date was in 2012. This was put on hold by the IRS criminal investigation which Ron learned of the following week when the IRS special agent knocked on his door. The god between Ron’s ears later decided that the date was in 2019 since Ron had to finish serving his prison sentence, but only after failures to return in 2013 and 2014.
The title of this post is a quote from Ron’s post. Apparently the god who lives between Ron’s ears and inspired his book does not inspire correct grammar.
Shifting topics, an interesting post on the Banned by HWA blog lists the Treasures of Herbert Armstrong which were sold after his death. I have long held that Ron’s spiritual idol Herbert Armstrong evaded more income taxes than Ron did, he was blessed to have clever legal advice to keep him out of prison.
I also believe that Herbert Armstrong was worse that Weinland in another area. A number of sources available with a search on the Internet describe how Herbert raped his young daughter. While proof of his criminal guilt to a legal standard does not exist, that does not mean that he is innocent. I personally am convinced of his guilt because he did not address accusations in a newspaper, but if on a criminal jury would have to vote against conviction without better evidence. In any case, Weinland has never even been accused of something like this. While evidence at his trial showed that he skimmed thousands of dollars of church funds, I do not believe he would do something like that.
Looking into a few comments made today by Plimsol, I took a look at the Present 47th “Truth”. Previously it read:
47 (26) The day Christ returns is the same 24-hour day when all seven vials (Seven Last Plagues) are poured out, once this Seventh trumpet is blown. It is on this day that the battle of Armageddon is brought to an end by God’s intervention in order to prevent mankind from destroying itself. There has always been speculation concerning this prophesied Day of the Lord. Some believe that this prophecy cannot be accomplished in a single day, but instead believe that this is a period of time that will last 30 to 45 days. This prophesied Day of the Lord is the final 24-hour period that ends a second prophetic period (the final period) bearing the same name of “The Day of the Lord” that is an actual year in length.
Today, the Present 47th “Truth” reads:
47 (26) God has revealed the actual duration for the prophetic “day” when the seven vials of the Seventh Trumpet (Seven Last Plagues) are poured out on the earth. That “prophetic day” consists of the “fifty days” that lead up to and are finally fulfilled by Christ’s coming on Pentecost of 2019. Only God can reveal the duration of any specific “prophetic day.” God set aside two possible dates for Christ’s coming as King of kings. The first potential date of Christ’s coming was Pentecost of 2012, and God revealed that the “prophetic day” for pouring out the Seven Last Plagues would have literally occurred on that one day of Pentecost. Since the purpose of the plagues being poured out is to “destroy those who are destroying the earth,” God has revealed that over 3.5 billion people would have been destroyed in that single day if this event had occurred in 2012.
However, God has moved forward the coming of His Son by exactly seven years to a later date, and He has now revealed that the duration of this “prophetic day” that leads to Christ’s coming has also changed. That “prophetic day” in which the Seven Plagues will be poured out will be fulfilled within the final 50 days that ends on Pentecost of 2019 when Christ returns.
God has revealed that He is extending great mercy to mankind by moving forward the coming of His Son by seven years to 2019. God is working to give mankind greater potential to begin listening to Him and then changing their course of self-destruction so that they might be saved alive. That mercy is also being magnified by how God is extending the duration of the “prophetic day” for the Seven Last Plagues that will now be poured out over 50 actual days. As God changes the manner in which the plagues are poured out, from one day to that period of 50 days, multiple millions more can potentially be saved to live on into the Millennial reign of Christ.
As stated, only God can reveal the specific definition of any given “prophetic day.” There are several examples where a prophetic day is equal to one year in actual fulfillment. When looking at the seven-day week, God revealed that each “day” is as a thousand years in His 7,000-year plan given to mankind to propagate and then continue into the next incredible phase of His great plan of salvation. In this example of a prophetic day being 1,000 years, the seventh day Sabbath is equivalent to the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ.
Another well-known example of a “prophetic day” concerns what is revealed in the annual holy day of the Last Great Day. God shows yet another specific duration of time in this “prophetic day.” This is a period of time that will last for 100 years, and it follows immediately after the millennial (1,000-year) reign of Jesus Christ on earth.
The actual period of time for any “prophetic day” can vary according to God’s purpose and design, and only God can reveal what period of time these represent.
I expect that in 2019 we’ll have a new Present 47th Truth.
The following was left as a comment by Once An Elder. Reposting it here for higher visibility.
—— An Open Letter to Johnny Harrell ——————–
Johnny, I know you and you know me. I am writing this letter to you out of friendship and not out of bitterness.
I left pkg approximately two years ago and have no regrets what so ever regarding leaving. It was I that disfellowshipped the Weinlands out of my life and not the other way around. I have not disfellowshipped the members out of my life and that is the truth of the matter. I pray daily for their eyes to be opened and for their understanding to see and understand the lie that is before them, as well as you, and that lie is Weinland.
I know you personally Johnny and I am attempting to understand why you are supporting Wienland and all the falsehoods that he represents. I know you better than you realize. This is not you to be that devoted to Weinland. I know you understand what has written in the Bible to be the absolute Word of God, but yet, you have now chosen to allow a wayward false minister to misled you into believing that this person is authorized to change God’s Written Word as he see fit. This is not you Johnny!
I still value our friendship and would welcome speaking with you again, understanding, that I will have absolutely nothing to do with the Weinlands. As I have stated, I still value our friendship. I understand, in your eyes, to have a restored relationship with me would violate the dictates of Weinland and would have a consequence. In my eyes, that would be a blessing for you.
Johnny, I pray that soon you and the others will finally realize what God is saying in Deut 18:22 concerning Weinland. It bears record of itself.
In closing, I pray daily for you and others to have God open your eyes and understanding to finally see Weinland for what he is. A false prophet. It is not me saying this, it is coming from God’s own words (Deut 18:22)
A friend not an enemy
The second part of the sixth chapter of False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s third book has been posted to his website. Ron continues with the notion of the variable length prophetic days, one of which was an actual day of Pentecost in 2012 on which Christ failed to show up after having failed to express his regrets to God’s Most Formidable Prophet. The 50-day period leading up to Pentecost of 2019 is yet another prophetic day during which the seven plagues will be poured out to save humans by killing them.
It also seems that the Mark of the Beast is a calendar laid out with Monday in the first column and Sunday in the seventh which Ron has seen in Europe. With all of Ron’s new variable prophecies, one remains set: the rise of a 10-nation European revival of the Holy Roman Empire to fight Jesus Christ when he returns on his UFO.
The sermon for this weekend (actually recorded last weekend) has been posted. During the announcements, Ron discusses having yet again restructuring and streamlining the ministry due to the downsized church. Apparently a lot of purging and pruning has gone on to cut back the church so that it can grow again following the publication of Ron’s third book; just as it did in 2007 and 2008 after Ron’s second book. Wonder where Ron’s going to get the money for all the Google advertising. Maybe he’ll get some rich widow with a healthy 401K to join his church.
As I expected, the US probation office is allowing Ron to travel. A trip to Columbia, MO on April 9 is posted on his blog, followed by trips to Dallas, Detroit, and Phoenix. He will be accompanied by the silently gossiping witness. Since she has been ordained as a prophet her travel expenses can be paid with tax-free church funds.
Yesterday, False Prophet Ronald Weinland posted part 1 of the 6th chapter of his 3rd book of fantasy. This chapter is the carrot he’s been dangling in front of his followers, that he had to rewrite several times. As usual it has some bold lies. He states that Pentecost of 2012 was the first date given PKG for Christ’s return and that they believed that to be the date for the four years prior. There are two things wrong with that:
(1) the Pentecost 2012 date was declared to PKG in Weinland’s sermon of June 28, 2008. That was less than 4 years, though some would argue that he just rounded it up and the way he phrased it doesn’t mean that. Won’t make much hash of that point. But the next point:
(2) This was not the first date given PKG. The first date given was Trumpets of 2011. PKG believed that to be the date until Ron withdrew it in his sermon of June 21, 2008. Which was within the 4 years prior to Pentecost of 2012. And if you want to claim authority for Herbert Armstrong, you would have to include those dates: the vague ones and the specific one of Trumpets 1975.
Also, God did not decide until the middle of 2008 whether Christ’s return would be on Pentecost of 2012 or on Pentecost of 2019. It was the middle of 2008, actually the week following his announcement of the Pentecost of 2012 date, when he got a knock on his door by the IRS special agent investigating his tax crimes. God didn’t let Ron in on the change of plans until he was serving his prison sentence after being convicted for those crimes.
At the end of this first part posted on his blog, Weinland states that “Any period of time can be represented as a “prophetic day,” “. He’s had several prophetic days of different lengths, and I expect more to come.