Five Months of Torment

Revelation 9

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

If you take “five months” to be 5 prophetic months of 30 days each, or a total of 150 days, then today, December 29, is 150 days prior to May 27.  But False Prophet Ronald Weinland argued in a 2010 Feast of Tabernacles sermon that “five months” doesn’t have to be 5 full months, it could be the end of the 1st month, then months 2, 3, and 4, followed by the first part of the 5th month.  So we’ll go with that.  But not allowing a month to be any arbitrary period of time.  So let’s go with the Jewish calendar, which is generous to Ron as its months align with the phases of the moon and are of length 28 to 30 days.  The 5 Jewish months leading up to and including Pentecost of 2012 are:

  • January 25, 2012   = Shevat 1
  • February 24, 2012 = Adar 1
  • March 24, 2012 = Nissan 1
  • April 23, 2012 = Iyar 1
  • May 22, 2012 = Sivan 1

The very last day that we can squeeze the five months of torment down under this definition is the last day of Shevat, February 23.  But the five months of torment is part of the fifth trumpet.  Which is preceded by the first 4 trumpets. Ron wrote in his book that the first trumpet was exactly the destruction of one-third of all plant life.    But then spiritualized it to be the economic woes because the dollar after all is green just like plant life.  During the first aborted timeline, the 2nd trumpet was supposed to be “nukular” explosions in US port cities.

But Ron says he doesn’t have the foggiest notion what these trumpets are going to be during this timeline.  We’ll have to know by February 23.  Except that Ronald Weinland has somehow compressed this down to the last three weeks before Christ returns.  In the meantime, I prophesy that I won’t win the Great End-of-the-end contest on Dill Weed’s blog because Ron won’t admit by January 7 that Christ is not returning in May.


Discovery Motions in Re Criminal Trial of Ronald Weinland

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was given a new title in a recent court filing by his defense team: “Defendant Ronald E. Weinland”.  There are actually two defense motions that were filed last week.  One motion was to extend the deadline for filing motions by at least two weeks, until January 5 or later.  The other motion was to require that the government preserve notes made by its agents which could be discoverable under the Jencks Act.  The Jencks act requires the government to provide as discovery any prior statements made by witnesses who appear at trial, or any material to which those witnesses may refer as part of their testimony during the trial.

We learn a few interesting things about the government’s case from these filings.  The Weinlands first learned about the case on Wednesday, July 2, 2008, when an IRS special agent confronted Ron and Laura for an interview. I wonder if the IRS special agent is sufficiently honored to have met the Two Witnesses of Revelation chapter 11.  In Ron’s sermon the following weekend (July 5, 2008), he mentioned great trials the prior week from a stirred up being.  A week later, on July 9, 2008, the IRS special agent began issuing 12 summonses to financial institutions for financial transaction records relating to Ron, Laura, and the church.

On July 29, 2008, Weinland filed a motion to quash these summonses arguing that they were overly broad because (1) they included tax year 2008 for which a filing wasn’t yet due and (2) included records for Laura and the church who weren’t under investigation.  On September 2, 2008 the government and Weinland reached a settlement on the issue of the summonses, with the government agreeing to drop tax year 2008 from the summonses.  The government did not agree to remove Laura or the church from their investigation.  Since the indictment charges Ron with a count for tax year 2008, the government must have reissued the summonses for 2008 transactions after Ron’s 2008 income tax filing was due (but not made).  In the end, the only thing Ron’s filing of the motion accomplished was to bring the criminal investigation to public view in 2008  — and this was a result of his own court filing which is a public record (the IRS is prohibited from publicizing investigations).

From the recent filings we also learn more about the government’s case.   The discovery provided is over 5000 pages and covers bank and credit card account transactions through numerous personal and church accounts.  The case against Weinland is based on an analysis of those transactions to assess whether they were legitimate church expenses or should have been treated as Ron’s personal income on which he would have been required to pay taxes.  As part of this assessment, the government conducted interviews of Ron and other individuals associated with the church.  One of those individuals would have been Audra Little, Ron’s daughter and the church bookkeeper.  Audra tried to evade answering any questions from the IRS and had to be ordered to do so in federal court during November of 2009.  The defense is seeking to discover before trial not only the summary memoranda of the interviews of Audra and others, but also the rough notes made by government agents during the interviews.

At one point, Ron mentioned investigators asking questions of church members.  Besides Audra, I imagine that Terry Wrozek and Johnny Harrell were interviewed.  If Ron takes this to trial, I expect that the government’s case-in-chief during the trial will include not only government agents and analysts, but also various PKG members.  I wonder if they’ll be willing to answer the questions put to them when they believe that Ron could “breathe fire” on them to prevent their testimony.

The End of Tyranny

False Prophet Ronald Weinland visited in Richmond, VA yesterday.  He gave his upcoming schedule adding February 18 in Toronto.  I wonder how it is that he is going to be able to travel there with his passport surrendered to the US Probation office.  He also mentioned that the location of the elders conference last weekend was in Vegas, location hidden so the rank-and-file sheep could not drop in.  The hotel he mentioned was The Palazzo, another 5-diamond hotel next door to the Venetian with shuttles provided.

During the elders conference, Ron announced that people who divorced now would not be allowed to remarry before the “new age” as the time is too short. These people will be in the ministry and government during the “new age” but are not competent to run their own lives. Time is also too short for the 2700 “scattered” to be ordained as Ron has added so much to Armstrongism that they wouldn’t be able to wrap their heads around it.  (The “scattered” are former members of WCG who were baptized in that organization when the First Seal opened at Joe Tkach’s sermon in Atlanta 17 years and 1 week ago.)  So the several hundred elders that Ron has now will have to tough it out to ordain the 10 million people in the US who will join Ron’s church between now and May 27.

Ron doesn’t know what next week’s sermon will be, but has plans for the sermon of Jan 7.  Jan 7 is the end of the 6th of Ron’s 140-day “half-a-time”, each of which he likens to one day of the Israel marching around Jericho.  Perhaps he will explain away the 40 weeks of judgment on the US and other modern day nations of Israel which ends that day.  According to his blog posting of April 1, we’ll be able to relax as God’s judgment will then be focused on the other (gentile) nations.  In the meantime, Ron is amazed at the timing of the calendar this year that puts December 17 on the same day of the week as it was in 1994.

Except that we need to worry about the 5 months of torment which are to happen after the fifth trumpet.  Since tomorrow is exactly 5 months from the non-return of Christ by the Roman calendar.  Taking into account that a “prophetic month” is 30 days, Ron buys a delay until Thursday if you don’t leave any time for the 6th trumpet.  During the feast of 2010, Ron said that 5 months could be the last part of the 1st month and the first part of the 5th month with the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in between.  Since Ron’s trial is delayed from January 31st, kind of takes the IRS situation out of the picture.  But Ron has painted a picture that the 5 months of torment was to be administered by the beast power, consisting of 10 European nations led by Germany and the Pope.  The beast power has some serious organizing to do very quickly.

Ron’s sermon was titled “End of Tyranny” (part 1).  The spirit world is stirred up mightily.  Demented attacks are coming from snakes in the grass.  Which includes: unconverted coworkers and family members, mocking websites, and while not mentioned of course the IRS and US prosecutor. It seems that I will have committed the unpardonable sin because I won’t repent and acknowledge Ron as a true prophet of God.

Ron learned a new word “throe”, as in “death throe”, and how to properly spell it (not “throw”).  Despite Ron’s literacy issues, he is an expert at anthropology and knows that the Germans are actually the Assyrians.

Ron, if you really want to end tyranny, then you can help. You asked if your members were experiencing the “oppression of tyranny”.  Indeed they are, and you are the source. End the tyranny you have imposed on your deluded followers.  Admit that you’re making it all up as you go along, at the expense of your deluded followers and their life savings and family relationships.  Set your people free so that they can salvage whatever they can of their lives.

Ron’s sermon was mercifully brought short a half hour early by some sort of technical glitch.  Hopefully his ministry will be mercifully brought short by some sort of glitch, such as being a guest in Club Fed for a period of time.

The Sixth Thunder Sounds Among the Scattered

The December 20 issue of “The Journal” is out.  This publication has editorial comment directed mainly to those former members of the Worldwide Church of God who attend various splinters.  False Prophet Ronald Weinland refers to it as “The Urinal” and has not joined the various kooks in presenting even odder variations of Armstrongism in paid editorial content in the publication’s “Connections” section.

This latest issue has an article on the indictment of Ronald Weinland.  Usually only the first and last pages are provided online, but for this issue the entirety is provided in PDF format on “The Journal” website.  The article about Ronnie (which begins on the front page) cites various “news outlets” as mentioning that he is “is accused of attempting to evade income taxes in the amount of $357,065 over several years beginning in 2005. Mr. Weinland is a minister of the Church of God Preparing for the Kingdom of God (CGPKG).”  Right after the awkward initialism for Weinland’s church, which while it isn’t what Ronnie uses is at least closer than Thielogical Bob’s “CGPFK”, “The Journal” refers to “Pastor General Weinland”.  While he operates with the same government structure (autocratic rule with a weak Council of Elders that can be removed by disfellowshipping them) and has the same mind-bending powers within his little CoGlet as did the original Pastor General Herbert Armstrong, Weinland has never adopted the title “Pastor General”.

“The Journal” has demonstrated poor journalistic skills.  Not only did they get the initialism and the title wrong, they left out information that was readily available through public sources. Such as the Swiss bank accounts and that he is accused of taking church funds.  The US Attorney for the Eastern District of Kentucky put out a press release with more details.  And Weinland responded several weeks ago to the charges in a public manner on his own blog.  Simple Google searches would have turned that information up.  While “The Journal” didn’t publish that information, they did take editorial space to give out the PKG contact information.

Weinland prophesies that his church will grow to include a tithe of a third of “the scattering” (or around 3000 people baptized in WCG as of Tkach’s apostasy of December 1994).  Perhaps he thinks “The Journal’s” putting his contact information will help.  And that the First Phase of the Fifth Thunder is beginning to sound.  Thielogical Bob has a copy of Rod Meredith’s latest letter on his website.  (Bob, note that I provided a link to your content even though you never do when you take content from my website, you arrogant p___k.)  In this letter Rod states:

Brethren, more than in any time I can remember, literally dozens of our members and ministers are in “dire straits” physically. Up and down the East Coast, especially at here at Headquarters, at least seven individuals that I happen to know about are in life threatening situations—mostly from cancer. Just this morning, interestingly, I received an email from one of our leading members, Syd Attenborough, telling about the death of two CGI elders. One of the men I had known, Dennis Lawrence. The other I had not known but am very sorry for his death and the death of all of God’s people who perhaps have to die prematurely. So these two elders have died just within the last several days. A number more of our own people may die within the next several months unless we—as a Church—cry out to God to please intervene more powerfully to heal His own people!

Rotten Ronnie may point to this as the beginnings of the Fifth Thunder, which is the deaths of CoGlet ministers which is to drive their flocks bleating in Ronnie’s direction.  Not so fast Ronnie.  None of the five specific ministers you prophesied have died, including the author of that letter who is 81 years of age and has suffered a stroke in recent years.  And was the first person you prophesied to die during your Fifth Thunder.  Guess again, Ron.  You’re going to have to wait awhile for those 2700 additional people — quite awhile.

This Guest Predicted the Collapse of the U.S. Economy and Natural Disasters

False Prophet Ronald Weinland conducted his last radio interview over 2 years ago.  Since the end of his current timeline is quickly approaching, he is seeking more interviews.  In an attempt to generate a little Sixth Thunder action, Ron published an ad in this month’s issue of a trade publication for radio talk show hosts seeking guests.  Here is the text of his ad {with additional commentary from me}.

——————-  Ronnie’s Ad —————-
In the past three years, our world has experienced devastating natural disasters, a rise in terrorism and declining economies. Nations are falling apart in the face of this instability and unrest among citizens. Are these just random events, or is there a larger force and plan at work?  {Yes.  To the “random events”. No larger force here.}
Ronald Weinland says the global turmoil is not random. In fact, he says it is a predicted in the Book of Revelation and these are all signs that we’re in a countdown of the final years of man’s self-rule on Earth. {“Years” now, huh?  Thought you were claiming months.} Weinland has dedicated his life to revealing the truth {Ron wouldn’t know truth if it came up and kicked him in the heinie.}about the Apostle John’s revelations and warning mankind about changes that must be made.
Ask Weinland to explain:
• How the European Union will rise as the last revival of the Holy Roman Empire.{And how long has that imminent development been prophesied?}
• Why he says we’re on the brink of World War III.  {Oh, do tell.}
• The Seven Trumpets of the Seventh Seal. {Let’s start with the First Trumpet.  Where the heck is all that “exactly what it means” dead vegetation?}
• The Seven Thunders of the Book of Revelation.  {Let’s talk about the Fifth Thunder, that is the first phase of the fifth thunder that was to prove you as a prophet of God.  How’s that working out?  How many of these specific individuals have died?}
• What will happen when Jesus returns on May 27, 2012.  {Let’s hear about what happens on May 28, 2012 when Christ doesn’t return.}
CREDENTIALS: Ronald Weinland has been a minister in the Church of God for 25 years. {.. a little math here… Hmm.  What were you doing before 1986?}  He travels extensively speaking to congregations in the United States, Canada, Europe and Australia and his live sermons are broadcast on the Internet. An end-time prophet of the God of Abraham, his books have been read in more than 160 countries. His latest book is 2008: GOD’S FINAL WITNESS. Visit  {Instead, how about visiting the page which analyzes his latest book in detail.}
AVAILABILITY: OH, nationwide via arrangement and telephone {And maybe from a prison cell if you wait too long.  Weinland’s criminal trial is scheduled for March 20, 2012.  He is under indictment for income tax fraud, using church funds for personal use without declaring that as income.}

———————  End of Rotten Ronnie’s ad —————-

Now’s your chance to comment.  What questions you you suggest the radio talk show ask of our most formidable prophet?

Here are a few of my questions:

So when exactly will the U.S. Economy collapse?  (It hasn’t collapsed so far.)

So when exactly will the global economy collapse?  Will it happen during 2011 as you prophesied in posting on your blog dated Feb 25, 2011? (“We have now entered the year for total economic collapse, with worldwide tribulation and destruction.“)

Which specific natural disasters did you predict?  Be specific as to timing, location, type of disaster, and impact which you predicted in advance to that level of detail.

It will be interesting to see if God’s most formidable prophet and the Spokesman of the Two Witnesses gets any interviews out of this ad.  Even an interview with a small radio station in a small market, much less a major market or even a nationally syndicated show.  If you become aware of an interview, please let us know about it.

The Third Elijah-to-Come

False Prophet Ronald Weinland spoke this weekend from the luxurious Venetian Resort Hotel & Casino at his International Ministerial Conference in Las Vegas, Nevada.  But he didn’t state his location, so those few members who don’t read my blog don’t know where he is this weekend.  The 29 in attendance would have included: Ron and Laura, Johnny and Myrtle Harrell, Wayne and Chris Matthews, Terry and Ann Wrozek, Scott and Kristina Cameron, Audra and Chris Little, Adrian and Cindy Gray, Steve and Patty Dalrymple, William and Una Milne, Dave and Shelley Conley, Lori Williams, Mitch Williams, Jimmy Carlisle, Willem Henderson, Jim Jamieson, Ralph Dowd, Leonard McGlynn, and Greg Chipps.

Before beginning the sermon, he gave the name of elders newly ordained or promoted since the feast.  The lucky people are: Bert from Hawaii; Keith and Diana Prutsman, and Kathi Wilson from TN; Carla, Shirley, and Daisy from KY, Mike from IN, Amanda Wrozek and Nancy from MI with Greg Chipps promoted to Senior Elder; Parker in CO; Elmira Worth, George, Geneva, and Gabrielle Giles from GA with Paul Giles promoted to elder; Louisa from Manitoba with George Black  promoted to elder; Eric and Kaylee Wiesman from Alberta promoted to elder; Sandy Czech in WA promoted to elder, Sandy and Jimmy in OH, Cindy Gray from New Zealand promoted to elder, and Kristina Cameron from Colby, KS (Ron’s sister) promoted to senior elder.  These elders increase the ranks of those to be tasked with baptizing millions in the US before Christ returns in May.

Ron is looking again at his list of “truths”.  In his sermon, Ron tweaked his 51st truth about his being the end-time Elijah-to-come.  It was two years ago, in December of 2009, when Ron decided that he was the end-time Elijah-to-come supplanting Herbert Armstrong.  (You might find it interesting to follow that link and read several articles describing all the contradictions surrounding the 51st “truth”.) Now Ron has decided that he needed to add two sentences to it, which will be included in the text of the “truth” on the website.  The apostles got much from Christ, but Herbert Armstrong had so much more.  And Ronald Weinland has so many more new revealed, not just restored, truths than Herbert Armstrong.  No doubt Ronald will still be happy to have Christ come on May 27 and take off the pressure by demoting him again.

Seventeen years ago yesterday, Joe Tkach Sr opened the first seal and committed the abomination of desolation in a sermon delivered in Atlanta.  Seventeen years ago this coming Saturday, he reprised the sermon at the church college in Big Sanday, that sermon being the one that was recorded and sent to all WCG congregations and was the one referred to as the “Christmas Eve” sermon (not the one in Atlanta).

Five years ago yesterday, newly ordained elder Kathi Wilson’s son Tony posted the following on the now withdrawn Ambassador Watch blog:

I know alot of you are rambling on and on about mental illness, delusions of grandeur, false prophecies, etc. etc.

I’m a man who knows Ronald Weinland. I’ve known him for multiple years. If there is one thing that I can say about him it is that he is far from insane and he is far from egotistical. In fact Ronald Weinland is one of the most down to earth individuals I’ve ever met.

This whole forum is dedicated to bitterness and frankly it reeks of a spirit not inspired from above. Just look at all the bloated hatred you all spew in every which way. Regardless of your opinion, pro or con, shouldn’t a Christian attitude be one of sympathy and concern instead of bitterness?

A lot of bad things have happened in the various COGs, I’ve spent years researching it and digging to the bottom of it all to wrap my brain around it. Sadly, the history is filled with individuals like those here on this forum dedicated not to any semblance of decency but simply tearing down (and if the truth stands in your way, who cares?)

If you want to talk about his book, why don’t you actually read it so you won’t appear so foolish along with full of blind hatred? You’ll see that he’s not in the same mold as Herbert W. Armstrong- he deviates from a lot of his positions on prophecy. He also addresses the foolish “No man knows the day or the hour” statement (If Christ is opening the seven seals of Revelation, wouldn’t he now know a timeline?)

If you want actual prophecies- read the book. He’s stated very boldly specific individuals are going to die and in what order (Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Gerald Flurry, Dave Pack, John Ritenbaugh). If that’s not a specific prophecy, what is? And obviously there’s not a whole lot of time to wait for that fulfillment.

And what are you sad tormented souls going to do when your sources of entertainment are gone?

Ronald Weinland is a good and honest man, humble and dedicated to overcoming base human nature (you know, the one epitomized and displayed here by most present). And in the grand scheme of things, does anything else matter but that? Can any of you honestly claim similar?

Well, Tony, as far as whether I’m a good and honest man, I don’t have a horde of ex-cult members and family of current cult members who consider me the opposite of good.  Nor does the government have sufficient doubt of my honesty to indict me for criminal tax fraud.  Can you honestly claim the same about Ronald Weinland?

It’s five years later and none of the five individuals you mention have died.  Five years is a lot more than a whole lot of time for five old men to die to specifically verify God’s own end-time prophet as truly His representative according to the very test he himself defined.  What are you going to do with these revelations?  What are you going to do when Christ doesn’t return as prophesied by your spiritual idol next year on the Memorial Day weekend?

By the way, it was 3 years ago today that Ronald Weinland reissued his death curse against anyone who would mock him.  Here I am, still mocking away.  Since then, Ron has spiritualized the deaths of his mockers.  Personally,  I feel exactly the same spiritually.

What Happens in Vegas Happens in Vegas Again

Last year in October, False Prophet Ronald Weinland held a conference with his evangelists and senior elders in the  5-star Venetian Resort Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.   They must have been quite satisfied with the accommodations including Egyptian cotton sheets under 400-count wool throws as they are gathering in the same location again this weekend.  According to the hotel web site, the price of the cheapest rooms has dropped a bit, to only $179 per night.  Isn’t it simply amazing that they can gather together there this far into the Great Tribulation, only 23 weeks before Jesus Christ returns.

The stated purpose is to get the church prepared for the influx of new members, which Weinland has been doing for almost 4 years now as he ordains more and more elders. While there, perhaps they can tour the facilities looking for places to baptize hordes of people.  The Venetian canals don’t look very good as it has steep banks which would be difficult for the baptizees to get in and out.  But the outdoor pool looks ideal.  Might be a bit chilly this time of year if the horde of converts starts arriving now, but when that time strikes there probably won’t be electricity to light indoor pools.

And while there, they can enjoy the hotel accommodations while they prepare to meet the masses.  I hope that Ron and Laura got the penthouse suite which is only $5000 per night.  They deserve this as their fate at the hand of the beast power is coming soon unless delayed by the US Federal Court system which might actually be the beast power and put him away for 3 & 1/2 years which would be like 3 & 1/2 days on the streets of Jerusalem.  Besides which they can put up Johnny and Myrtle in the suite’s second bedroom and save money that way.

Isn’t it just wonderful?!!!!!!!


Pentecost Comes Early For Ron

If you get next year’s calendar, and start counting days with day #1 being January 31, when you reach the count of day #50 you will be at March 20.  January 31 is the date that False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s criminal trial for tax evasion was scheduled during the arraignment.  March 20 is the new scheduled date determined yesterday afternoon during the hearing to consider Weinland’s motion to continue.  Note: in later court action, the trial was continued yet again, to June 4, 2012.

————-  Text of Judge’s Order ——————–

On December 12, 2011, this action was called for a hearing on the defendant’s motion to continue the trial scheduled to begin January 31, 2012. The United States was represented by Assistant United States Attorney Robert McBride. Defendant Ronald E. Weinland was present and represented by Robert Webb, retained counsel. The proceedings were recorded by official court reporter, Lisa Wiesman. The Court having heard counsel and being sufficiently advised, it is hereby ORDERED as follows:

1. The defendant’s motion to continue [Record No. 14] is GRANTED. The trial date of January 31, 2012, is vacated and the jury trial is rescheduled for March 20, 2012, beginning at 10:00 a.m., with counsel to be present at 9:30 a.m.

2. The pretrial conference previously scheduled for January 17, 2012, is continued until March 12, 2012, beginning at 3:30 p.m., at the United States Courthouse in Covington, Kentucky.

3. Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7)(B)(iv), the time period between January 31, 2012, and March 20, 2012, is excludable delay under the Speedy Trial Act. The Court finds that failure to grant a continuance of the length outlined above would deny the defendant reasonable time necessary for effective preparation, taking into account the exercise of due diligence. Further, the ends of justice served by continuing the trial date in this case outweigh the best interest of the public and the defendant in a speedy trial.

4. The defendant shall remain on bond and conditions of release previously imposed.

This 13th day of December, 2011. /s/ Judge Reeves

———— End of Judge’s Order —————-

That’s an additional seven weeks for Weinland’s legal team to march around the Jericho of the governments case ….  Oh, heck.  I’ve been listening to Weinland for too long.  I’m starting to spiritualize and look for numeric significance in everything.  😀  The 49-day delay is somewhat less than the 180 days requested in the motion to continue.  But hey — Ron has his daughter/senior elder/bookkeeper Audra to help the defense team sort through all those financial transactions — it ought to be a snap.

With the continuance, Ron now has until March 8th to reach a plea agreement with a reduction in sentence based on “thinking differently”.

With Passover on the evening after sunset on April 5, only 2 weeks and 2 days after the trial’s new start date, the trial and jury deliberations will need to proceed apace and Weinland’s lawyers need to have a winning case for Ron to be able to conduct Passover “down under” as he had planned.  And it doesn’t look like he’ll be going to Toronto in February.

Following that will be Ron’s motion to continue the return of Jesus Christ.


Yet Another Timeline Change for Ron?

The federal court has established a timeline for the criminal trial of Ronald Weinland, with a series of procedural deadlines and a pre-trial conference on Jan 17 with the actual trial scheduled to start on Jan 31. Weinland seeks to change that timeline with a motion filed by his attorneys last week. Here is text from that motion:

————- Motion to Continue Trial ———–
Defendant Ronald E. Weinland, through undersigned counsel, respectfully moves this Court, pursuant to Local Criminal Rule 12.1(b) and 18 U.S.C. § 3161(h)(7), and with sufficient cause, for an Order continuing the trial date in this matter, currently set for January 31, 2012, at 10:00 a.m., for at least 180 days to such dates that are convenient to the Court. Mr. Weinland respectfully requests this continuance due to the unusual and complex nature of the case. As a result, it is unreasonable to expect adequate preparation for any pretrial proceedings or for the trial itself within the time limits established by the Speedy Trial Act.

{The rest of this posting is “below the fold. ” There is also a posting below about yesterday’s split sermon from his two leading evangelists flunkies Wayne and Johnny.}

Continue reading “Yet Another Timeline Change for Ron?”

Infinity is a Very Long Time

False Prophet Ronald Weinland was in Orlando yesterday. But he spoke only during the live feed prior to the beginning of services to give the two-minute warning for people to get ready. His main flunkies Johnny and Wayne gave a split sermon.

Wayne went first. He announced a number of home locations for people in attendance. From the US: NY, PA, MA, MN TX UT WA AZ KS MS MI KY TN OH GA IL FL SC VA MD HI. From Canada AB NS ON NB From Australia NSW VIC QLD. There were also people from the UK.

Then Wayne told a story about how he was attacked three times by birds during the 2010 feast. He blamed the bird attacks on an American tourist with a camera, who seems to be a PKG member from Florida named Shawn/Sean. But Wayne has forgiven Shawn. Wonder if Shawn thinks differently about camera use.

Wayne talked about people seeing with their mind’s eye. Since PKG members have turned their thinking over to Ron Weinland they see what Ron wants them to see. Wayne said that it’s not possible to have a relationship with God outside His Church. If you don’t believe any or all of the 57 Truths of Ron then it’s because of pride (not a realization that Ron pulled them all out of his nether region). Even though he’s cautioned his children in the past that each Christmas was to be the last, this time he knows really for sure that this indeed the last Christmas because of course Jesus is returning next May. Wayne is looking forward to the next Truth from God’s Representative on this earth, who is of course Ron Weinland.

Johnny mentioned the so-called and “in famous” (Johnnyism) “Christmas Eve” sermon, for which he says he was present on December 17, 1994 in Atlanta. He doesn’t understand why it’s called that since it was a week earlier. Actually, I think the Christmas Eve sermon was delivered in Big Sandy TX a week later on December 24, 1994. The Big Sandy sermon was actually on Christmas Eve and was videotaped, copies of which were sent out to be played back in local congregations. Johnny mentioned a clip in the video of the sermon showing people in the audience who were not actually present. That is something new for me. My sister was present at Big Sandy and says that part of the sermon was edited out of the videotape, that certain of Tkach’s statements were edited out but word-of-mouth spread around what Tkach said anyway. As an aside, I have been told that the Atlanta sermon was cut short because Tkach ran overtime and had to clear out as the meeting hall rental time was over.

Since December 24 falls on Saturday this year, it will be interesting to see if Ron makes a point of it in next week’s sermon. Next weekend is the “ministerial conference” at which Ron’s senior elders and above are to assemble to make final preparation for the millions of people who will join PKG in the 24 weeks remaining before Christ doesn’t return next Pentecost. This is to include a tithe of a third of those who were members of WCG on December 17, 1994 when Joe Tkach became the Man of Sin, That Wicked One, by opening the First Seal with his “in famous” “Christmas Eve” sermon. That would be about 3000 ex-WCG people to join PKG in the few months remaining.