False Prophet Ronald Weinland’s weekly posting is up, a bit late this week.
But before we get to the reposting, we note his birthday, the first of 3 to be spent in Club Fed. Here is a song in honor of the occasion that Ron may want to dedicate to Laura.
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This new post will be delivered in two parts, as there is too much to cover in a single post. God continues to reveal more understanding and clarity to all that we have experienced over the past 4 1/2 years in the Church and in the world. We are living through the most intense prophetic times of all human history, yet the world is totally oblivious to what is taking place. Even the scattered body from the apostasy is in deep darkness to the realities of what God is working out at this time.
Nearly a third of the Bible contains prophecy and the overwhelming majority of it is about this end-time. We have been living through it, and the closer we come to the return of Jesus Christ as the world’s Messiah, the more intense the fulfillment of prophetic events will become. We have learned and are still learning that much of that which is prophetic for this end-time is about God’s own Church first. These events are completely unseen by the world. Yet the major events to occur next and take place in the world will be clearly seen by all. We have already seen most of what has been prophesied about the Church, and we will see all that has been prophesied about the world.
As a result of all that we have now experienced over the past 4 1/2 years, God is now revealing more about what and why we have experienced things as we have. There is more to understand about Daniel’s prophecies and about the awesomeness of prophetic events that we have just finished living through. To fully explain all this, this post is being divided into two parts. Most of this post will be the background and basis for understanding what God is now more fully revealing to us as we move from Pentecost to Pentecost until Jesus Christ returns.
Learning From A Personal Experience:
Shortly after I became baptized into the Church of God, I moved to Wichita, Kansas, for a few months so I could get away from the pulls of my previous friends and the kind of party life I had been living in college up through age 19. After being baptized right after the summer of 1969, I returned to college to begin my senior year, but as I started back, I quickly dropped out because I knew I had to get away again from that past environment. It was then that I decided to head out to another city in Kansas to find a job and not return to college until I knew I was strong enough to refuse my past.
Right away, I found work and a place to live. Each Sabbath I met with a congregation of the Worldwide Church of God that numbered over 500 people. That in itself was an incredible experience for me, since I had gone through high school in a town of only about 100 people. It was there in Wichita that I was invited to join a unique speaking club that Herbert W. Armstrong had established for the men in the Church who wanted to improve themselves through such an opportunity. The club was fashioned after the manner of other speaking clubs, self-improvement clubs, and the Rotary Clubs, but was designed to the special needs of God’s Church at that time. There were 12 speeches that one could give before being able to graduate from the club. There were also many other speaking opportunities, including discussion of topics relating to world news events, family life, scripture, and doctrine.
This Spokesman Club was highly intimidating to a very pride-filled young man at that time, especially when faced with 29 other men (30 max to a club) from all walks of life whom I did not yet know and some of which who would have the responsibility to critique my speaking. The first speech was called an “Ice Breaker” where you were to stand up in front of the group for five to seven minutes and tell them about your life. When it was my turn to stand and give my speech, I was so nervous, petrified, and scared by the experience that my mouth was so dry that at times my tongue stuck to the roof of my mouth. I did manage to make it through the speech; however, one of the things that stuck out in my mind at that time was how I felt concerning what I could tell about myself. I didn’t think there was anything interesting, outstanding, or important that I could share with them. Instead, I felt it would be rather ordinary and boring.
When I look back at that experience now, I think of how much more could have been said and the excitement with which it could have been told. As we live our life, it seems that most of that time we seem to think it is very ordinary and that there isn’t anything outstanding one could share with others if we were in such an environment to do so. Yet, we often respond differently to hearing from others and have often been inspired by someone telling us about their calling.
As we grow spiritually, we come to see more fully the extra ordinary lives God has blessed us to experience in His calling. We come to grasp how rare such an experience has been over the past 6,000 years of all humanity. We become more excited about how blessed we have been to experience how God has brought us to where we are in the transformation of our mind since being called. We often marvel at all the wealth of knowledge about God and His plan He has given us, along with the understanding and wisdom we have been blessed to receive from it. We come to see more and more how deprived and in bondage this world is to ignorance and confusion about God.
The process of how we change and grow in faith, character, conviction, truth, greater love and caring for others, along with the understanding and wisdom we develop over time is not ordinary by any means, but involves the extraordinary experience of the very life of the One Eternal Self-Existing God and His Son dwelling in us. Sometimes that can begin to be taken for granted and seen as ordinary, and that is a very dangerous mindset. Taking such a thing for granted can happen if a person begins to forget the awesomeness of their calling and of how God has taught them His truth.
I’ve related all this to you because we do not yet grasp the magnitude of what God’s Church has experienced over the past 4 1/2 years, but God is revealing just that to us. It has been difficult and a great struggle at times, especially over the past year and a half. That 4 1/2 years was not designed by God to be easy, especially over that short time, with the level of difficulty increasing the farther we moved into that period of time. Through a highly sped-up process crammed into a shortened period of time, God’s Church has experienced a level of learning, testing, trying, molding, and change that has often taken a life time for others in the past to have experienced.
That which we experience in God’s Church once we are called will either make us or break us, and that is by our own choices that we must make in response to God’s offer to make (create) something truly great within us. There have been all kinds of intense trials and testing we have experienced throughout this period of time, but this is beautifully unique to God’s Church at this very end-time.
There has NEVER been a time like this one for God’s people. We are clearly told that all of God’s people have had to go through great tribulation to enter into God’s Kingdom, yet this past 4 1/2 years has been designed to be a unique witness to God’s great power to create Elohim. God has been doing this (creating Elohim) for 6,000 years with the 144,000, but this period is a “unique witness” of a progressive process through time, until now, of His creating power in His quest for Zion in His work concerning the controversy of Zion.
So, what are some of your experiences that have raised some doubt, question, or angst over the past 4 1/2 years concerning how God has lead you, through His Church, and what have you been taught or what have you learned as a result? These are the very things that have either made individuals far more spiritually mature or have led to their own spiritual destruction all as a matter of personal, individual choices.
When we are first called, we simply do not grasp the magnitude and importance of a most unique calling God has given us. As we develop spiritually, we begin to see the importance and greatness of being called by the Eternal God himself. We can then begin to increasingly grow in gratitude and thankfulness the more we see how awesomely blessed we actually are. It is in this manner that we will come to grasp far more deeply what we have now experienced over the past 4 1/2 years of God’s extraordinary work that He has been doing in His Church during that time. Within this post, only a glimpse into this great process will begin to be made, and as we continue to mature we will far more fully come to grasp just how great and awesomely unique this experience has been. This will happen precisely in the same manner as to how we are able to grow to more deeply grasp the magnitude and opportunity of our original calling.
So, how can we come to more deeply grasp this experience and its importance in God’s plan just before His Son is set up as King of kings? God tells us! He is sharing with us what He has done, and we will increase in our ability to see how exciting an experience we have lived in a very meaningful phase of God’s great controversy over Zion.
Eight Months Previous:
Before we begin to focus on our experience over the past 4 1/2 years and those things that God wants us to see more clearly concerning His work in the Church, we are going to back up a little farther to the beginning of February of 2008. It was at this time that the stage began to be set for where God was leading us. At that time, there were important things God was revealing that we needed to learn, but He did not reveal everything all at once. Why? God could have, but there is an important purpose to why He didn’t. Such is designed to try and test our obedience and faithfulness to God in the way He leads us.
As we approached February of 2008, the book 2008 God’s Final Witness was just beginning to really grow in distribution. At this point in time, we believed Jesus Christ was going to return in the fall of 2011 at the time of the Feast of Trumpets, however, in some sermons before and after this, I stated that there was still a period of six to nine months that were not fully clear as of yet, concerning all this timing there was still something missing. Although I was given to know this, I did not yet understand what it meant.
Starting on Pentecost in 2008, God began revealing more. The timing of everything was about to change as God began to reveal the importance of the timing of the wave loaves being of the same kind of importance as the timing of the Wave Sheaf that Jesus Christ fulfilled perfectly according to God’s time.
It was conveyed to me that the importance of this knowledge and the change it would have upon our understanding of timing should be covered in the sermon that would be given on Trumpets that year. This was exciting as it now fit into “timing sequences” that did fit into specific important dates, whereas before, it didn’t. This will be covered more when we begin to focus on the 1335 days in Daniel.
Therefore, well before we even entered the 3 1/2 years of witness, this change in dates was causing a stir, questioning, and great doubt in the minds of too many in God’s Church, so God gave us mercy and revealed important lessons that needed to be learned at that time, before entering the age of the “final witness.” In His mercy, God conveyed to me the importance for the sermon that was designed for Trumpets to then be given early in June instead. That sermon was given early, along with correction God gave concerning such attitudes of doubt and resistance to how He was leading His Church. If that sermon had not been given early, God revealed that there would be many who would not have spiritually survived to Trumpets. But God was preparing the Church for an important period of time that it was about to enter.
So in that sermon, God revealed that Christ was not going to return on a Feast of Trumpets, but on a Pentecost. This timing was critical to God’s plan concerning the fulfillment of the wave loaves being offered up before God that pictured His acceptance of the 144,000. This was of the same importance as the acceptance of the wave sheaf during the Days of Unleavened Bread that Jesus Christ fulfilled. We then changed the dates of our previous understanding of timing as soon as God revealed the truth of this matter of Christ returning on a Pentecost. As a result of this understanding, the beginning of the 3 1/2 years of witness was pushed back by nearly 8 months to the end, rather than at the beginning, of 2008.
As of February 2, 2008, we were at a point where we believed that the beginning of Daniel’s 1335-day prophecy had just begun. As we continue on, some may get a little lost in all the dates that will be mentioned, but the dates are not so important compared to the “big picture” contained in this complete story and what we can and are to learn from it.
Two Means by Which God Has Led His Church:
As I continue to explain some of this recent history, there is something of real importance I need to share with you because it is only in recent days that I have come to more deeply understand this process. This involves two issues of how God has been working through me. The more you see how God has been working to reveal prophecy and how God has been teaching His Church, the more you will come to appreciate the way in which God has led us.
As we were moving through the 3 1/2 years of witness, things were not happening on a level of what we had anticipated for this period. There came a point during this time, due to this anticipation not materializing and our not yet having seen the events of the Second Trumpet come to pass, that I shared my personal conviction in the matter. There were many outsiders who were trying to find fault and error in what God’s Church was teaching and they were ridiculing this matter of the events of the Trumpets not occurring. I then stated that if nothing were to come to pass in what was written in the book that I would acknowledge I was not a prophet and I would go before God and throw myself before His mercy seat in repentance and desire for guidance. Yet I believed that what was written in the book was given by God. I did not consider the “if” a reality.
Some time after this, I came to an even deeper conviction regarding my relationship with God and Christ, and I shared this with the Church. It was that even if I was not a prophet, although I still fully believed that I was, I undoubtedly was an apostle. The evidence was contained in all the truths God had given through me. God was strengthening me in my role and the commission He had given to me. God revealed to me and convicted me even more deeply that I was not only a prophet, but more importantly, I was an apostle to His end-time Church.
As a result of these events and God’s convicting power, He has led me to more clearly understand how he has been working in and through me. There is a different function and way that God works through a prophet and an apostle. Their job and function is not the same. The only one I can compare this to is the apostle, John. John was an apostle first and foremost. Later in life God used him as a prophet through whom He gave the Book of Revelation. John clearly saw the distinction through what he experienced. He knew from the beginning that he had been chosen as an apostle.
This was nothing like my experience. There was never a time before all this that I would have remotely considered myself an apostle. That would be one of the furthest things from my mind, as I know I would have considered such a thing a horrible presumption. Even when the time came when writing the first book that God was revealing to me that I was to declare I was His prophet for the end-time, I resisted for quite some time and somewhat argued with God over it.
Yet from the moment God had reestablished His remnant Church on Pentecost of 1998, God was using me as His apostle to the Church. However, He kept my eyes closed to that until the later portion of those 3 1/2 years of witness. It was then that I announced it to the Church, as being clearly evidenced by all the truths God had now given through me. So I began by seeing first that I was a prophet, when I was actually an apostle well before that time.
The purpose for mentioning all this is because I function differently depending on which role God has given me to do at any moment in time. The function and work of each is different. This is something that I am only now finally coming to clearly see and understand. It is something that God has to give in order to see it, and He is now doing so.
Although I wrote the book 2008 God’s Final Witness, I have not understood all that is written. God inspired me to write about prophetic events, but as with so many of the prophets, I have not understood all that He has given. In God’s time and according to His purpose that He is working out, He reveals more and more about the prophetic events He has inspired to be recorded.
It is because of this that I do not always know or understand what God has given me that is prophetic. Then as an apostle and minister, I have taught about these things God has revealed through me as a prophet. A prophet’s job (function) is not like that of an apostle. A prophet simply writes or speaks what God has given him and he does not expound or elaborate on it; however, an apostle does teach and expound on truth, doctrine, and prophecy to the Church.
Herbert W. Armstrong expounded upon truth concerning prophecy about the modern day nations of Israel, as God had given him knowledge of who they were. God gave him the “Key of David” (Rev. 3:7), which was about the identity of these nations and the identity of the monarchy that has descended from King David to this time and is still upheld as having some rule in Ephraim (United Kingdom). Many of the teachings during that era of Philadelphia about prophetic events for the end-time were centered upon knowledge of the identity of the modern day nations of Israel. Those teachings were based upon what was known to that point in time of the “present truth” Mr. Armstrong had.
God’s apostle, Paul, knew of the prophecies and promise of Jesus Christ’s return as the Messiah and he spoke in the context of that happening in his lifetime. Yet later, God revealed to him that it would be farther in the future.
This gives some context to better understand how God has been working in His Church. There are people who have rejoiced in what they believe proves I am not a prophet as a result of some things I have stated in sermons. Yet these individuals have no understanding of the job and function of a prophet or an apostle. Candidly, these same people would reject me as either anyway without any so-called “proof.” It obviously doesn’t really matter what others think or believe about such things, but what does matter is that God’s people know and understand the differences. Such understanding leads to a better grasp and appreciation of how God is working in His Church.
Back to February 2008:
On the first Sabbath of February of 2008, I gave a sermon entitled, “The 144,000 Are Sealed!” This sermon was given and based upon what God had just revealed to me about timing in Daniel’s prophecy about the 1335 days. Even now, God is revealing more that we have not known. These things that were revealed back then, and those things that are now being revealed in greater detail, were done so as a function of being God’s prophet.
However, the sermon I gave on that day was fully about my job as an apostle. These differences are being pointed out so you can come to see more clearly how God has been leading His Church and why He has also allowed us to conclude things that were not fully correct primarily in timing. By design and by purpose the apostle, Paul, was allowed to believe Jesus Christ was returning in his lifetime. As an aside, what do you think some of that purpose was?
The subject of that sermon was about the sealing of the 144,000, which was based on what God was then revealing concerning the meaning of the 1335 days in Daniel. This revelation was given to me as a prophet. It was simple fact! It was the revelation of the meaning of the 1335 days that revealed the sealing of the 144,000 in the Book of Revelation.
However, my speaking (preaching) and teaching in the sermon was in the function of an apostle. As an apostle, I based what was given in the sermon on what was given prophetically about the meaning of the 1335-day prophecy and the “present truth” we had at that time. That present truth we had was that Jesus Christ would return on a Feast of Trumpets. An additional present truth was that God had revealed that His final witness was to begin in 2008, which was revealed as a simple fact as a function of a prophet.
There are some direct statements I made in that sermon, as an apostle, that were not correct not for February 2, 2008. It was stated, “This is given by revelation only and by no other means. Let me say this another way. This is given by prophetic revelation and by no other means.”
Indeed, what was revealed to me concerning Daniel’s 1335 days being about the sealing of the 144,000 was a prophetic revelation given to a prophet. It was simple fact. However, as an apostle whose responsibility it was to preach about this was based on what knowledge we had in the Church to that moment in time the present truth. This revelation of Daniel’s 1335 days being about the 144,000 being sealed was given to me on that Friday evening before the sermon was to be given the following day. My conclusion was based on the belief of Christ returning on Trumpets of 2011 and the fact (prophetically revealed) that 2008 was the year God’s final witness would begin. My conclusion was wrong.
This example is being given to show there is purpose to the process God uses to lead His people and different means by which He does so.
Faith and Righteous Judgment:
God does not give us all truth that there is to know and we do not have the capacity to receive it anyway. We will ever be growing in that. God has been revealing truth to mankind for 6,000 years in a progressive manner AS His plan is unfolding. This has been often pointed out over the past few years, as it must become deeply engrained in us. This in itself is an important truth that aids in sharpening righteous judgment and works to build stronger faith.
We are judged by what we see know and understand at any moment in time. Abraham and Sarah were judged by what God had given to them to know up until that time in God’s unfolding plan. They did not have the teachings Christ gave his disciples and they did not have what was later added as God gave even more through the early apostles that were to be recorded in the New Testament. They did not have what is written in the books of the Kings, nor in Psalms and Proverbs, or what the prophets recorded.
Abraham and Sarah were judged first and foremost by their desire and willingness to live by a “basic way of life” that was founded upon two basic relationships in life love toward God and love toward fellow man. They sought to live by the laws God had given them regarding how to love both. This is the most important part of one’s spiritual life. If God’s laws about how to have a right relationship toward others and toward God are not what regulates our behavior, then all the rest of the knowledge, understanding and prophetic revelation God can give would have no meaning and purpose whatever (1 Cor. 13).
Although Abraham and Sarah did not have the slightest fraction of all the vastness of knowledge and understanding of God’s greater plan and purpose for mankind that we have available to us today, they will be very great in the Kingdom of God. This knowledge alone should stir people to examine how they live toward and treat their fellow man.
God’s desire in us is to transform our minds so we can become Elohim. He desires to mold righteous judgment into our thinking the mind becoming capable of formulating right conclusions and making righteous decisions. Righteous decisions come from basing our judgment of every matter in life by God’s revealed truth to that moment in time. So God tries and tests us by how He leads us and by what He has revealed up to any specific moment in time.
There are different examples of this in the early Church. One important example early on that was difficult for some to receive, was God’s revelation that the gospel was to now go to the gentiles. This was new and it was a great change being required in the thinking of most. This put the Church to the test to see if all would continue to follow how God was leading them. The response from each person would determine if they had the ability to judge various situations in a righteous manner involving the gentiles according to that new truth God had revealed to them.
This example can be likened today to what God has revealed to His Church about true freedom that is being restored to women by removing them from the kind of bondage they have been experiencing in the world for the past 6,000 years. In the Church now and in the Millennium that is coming, women are not second-class citizens who can be treated as inferior by men or looked upon by men as being in subjection to them. Such subjection would only be the case if it were on a spiritual plane when the need to administer God’s government might arise. In like fashion, there will be women who may also need to administer God’s government toward a man who in turn should be in subjection to God in such a case. In the Church now and into the future, God is removing the “curse” that started in the beginning due to the sins of Adam and Eve.
Some in the Church are still battling this and being tried by it, although this truth began to be delivered to the Church more than two years ago. This affects how husbands sometimes “think” it is permissible to treat a woman in a controlling manner as though they are in subjection to such demands or in how they might speak in a commanding manner when they have no right to do so. Not only is there no right to do so, but it is also sin. Even a few (a very few) men in God’s ministry are dealing with this new and “present truth” in how they are responding to a woman who is over them in the administration of the government of God in the Church. In some cases, there is more than one woman over them as a matter of God’s spiritual government. The one whom a few are having a difficulty with is ordained a prophet, as Deborah was a prophet. These few must fight this battle (if it is one for them), just as some in the early Church had to fight their wrong thinking concerning the gentiles. A person must change in their thinking as God reveals more truth to them in order for them to come into greater unity and oneness with Him. Such changes of new revelation of truth often test and try people as to their faithfulness to God and their willingness to follow when, where, and how He leads.
So as God reveals more to us we have to address changes in how we think if we desire to truly judge matters of life in a righteous manner according to the ways, standards, truths, and righteousness of God’s word. We cannot serve God if we rely on our own ability to discern right and wrong, righteousness and unrighteousness, truth and error. After all, that has been the problem from the beginning.
[The rest of “Extraordinary 4 1/2 Years” will be in Pt. 2 next week.]