A Piece of Work of Faith

Johnny, Myrtle, Laura, and Audra continued on their European tour in the Netherlands.  Gijs Van Lerberghe gave the opening prayer.  Johnny carried on in Ron’s style, mispronouncing Gijs’ name “Van – Leh – Ber – Gee”.  (Though I’ve never heard Ron mispronounce Gijs’ name, I imagine he did for awhile after meeting him).

Johnny spent about half the sermon reading Ron’s blog post of June 20, saying it was important to put it in audio.  He then went on to blather for another hour, including mentioning the visiting Ron to see what man’s law has done at the end of an age.

David Pack, the Grand Ayatollah of the Restored CoG has taken a page out of Ron’s book by claiming that other CoG leaders will die and that all the members of the other CoGs will leave them and join Restored.  Only 3 other dead CoG leaders as compared to Ron’s 5, but they are part of the fulfillment of Haggai’s prophecy and the range of time for their death is Aug 6 (this coming Tuesday evening) through August 30.  I expect that Clarion Call Dave will either claim like Herbert Armstrong that he doesn’t set dates, or will spiritualize the deaths of some CoG leaders and the organizations they lead.  I doubt that he will call for his own Deut.18 death as his did Ron’s.

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30 thoughts on “A Piece of Work of Faith

  1. Nothing is going to happen, and pack will weasel out of it and act like he didn’t say anything prophetic at all. he is a COG minister. Lying is their forte…

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  2. Pack also said that anyone in UCG, LCG, etc. who doesn’t join his church by August 30 will lose God’s spirit.

    I’d love for Pack to show me where in the Bible where it says one must be affiliated with a certain corporate entity to receive eternal life. (Marc C., if you’re still in RCG and you’re still reading this blog, then you should be ashamed of yourself)

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  3. Hey Ava – had to share this awesome quote I just saw on FB:-

    “Athiesm is not a religion, it’s a personal relationship with reality”. Gold!

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  4. Mike “…and that all the members of the other CoGs will leave them and join Restored”

    * No, that is not what David Pack is saying. *

    I mentioned it before, but I’ll mention it again.

    David Pack is saying that all those with the Holy Spirit, among the splinters, will come under the RCG banner.

    NOT that EVERYBODY in the splinters will come under the RCG banner.

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    1. Martin said:

      Mike “…and that all the members of the other CoGs will leave them and join Restored”
      * No, that is not what David Pack is saying. *
      I mentioned it before, but I’ll mention it again.
      David Pack is saying that all those with the Holy Spirit, among the splinters, will come under the RCG banner.
      NOT that EVERYBODY in the splinters will come under the RCG banner.

      Right. So a couple of dozen people will join RCG in the next 3 weeks, and it will turn out that the rest of the CoGgers just don’t have the Holy Spirit. And the CoG ministers who don’t join (all of them) will be declared to have died spiritually. Like I said in the post.

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  5. Ha yea the asshole said mike and the other leaders of COG where going to die a death from with in from cancer it was (so called given info from God) and the only info that was given was from the IRS that he was going to federal prison for stealing money for the PKG members and not paying taxes on it and for lieing about it . And as uncle si would say that’s a fact jack!

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  6. Martin, I’m pretty sure we get that part. A question – what about Ron saying that only the called have God’s spirit and are gathered by God into PKG specifically. What about Jehovah’s Witnesses saying that the called are gathered by God’s spirit into their organization specifically. What about Mormons. What about a list so long it would exceed the maximum comment length. What about the crazy Imam in the middle east who says that only God’s favored are gathered into their organization specifically.

    Seeing a pattern here?

    Would it be fair to say that the burden of proof is on the minister? Would it be fair to say that they are not in touch with reality, perhaps even deluded (or lying), unless and UNTIL proven otherwise?

    Did God send anyone on a mission in the Bible, and fail to uphold the signs of authenticity that he promised?

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  7. What makes me laugh is my mom, use to tell me what great people Ralph Dowd, April Comes and Parker where and I agree ,but as soon as the open there eyes and left the pkg, she won’t even talk to them anymore great Christian my mom love having them for fish frys and April gave my mom a laptop, but she no good now ? Don’t figure .

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  8. Kirrily: great quote!

    Martin:

    OK. He first ALL COGs will join him (emphasis mine):

    “(1) Haggai 1:11 reveals that God calls for a “drought,” more correctly translated “desolation,” involving a list of very distinct categories within the splinters. The categories that God lists are comprehensive—COMPLETE. One of my previous announcements explained them. “Desolation” means desolation, NOT something short of desolation. God’s plain meaning is that He plans to DESTROY these organizations.”

    NOW he says so those with God’s Spirit will join Pack, and 3 ‘shepherds” will die. He will weasel out of it. he said THOUSANDS would join him. So he can then just say “well, I guess there was only (the actual amount) people who have God;s Spirit. He can act like God changed his grand pronouncement, and/or God had mercy on these 3 people Pack refuses to name. NOT prophetic, NOT divine: just more COG back-pedalling that they know glorifies themselves without threatening their tithe base. The big departure of ALL the COGs or THOUSANDS of people to his church is NOT going to happen. That is a FACT. The PKG are morons, they will stay with Ron, and Ron;s church will keep on going after Pack’s Great COMPLETE destruction of all the splinters the the death of 3 high ranking ministers. These are Pack’s VERY words. He is a liar and a scumbag, just like EVERY other minister/member of EVERY COG.

    To jojn a COG is to be an enabler of criminals and scumbags. FACT.

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  9. Kevin Dean (WWCG) is on the run from the law for multiple crimes including violently molesting a children…he ran out of the courtroom and escaped during his initial hearing

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  10. Also, Randy:

    Most of the COG leaders are a million times smarter than Weinland. hey know that they are running a scam, so they have their game well established in the Armstrong mode. To leave that script is to dare the authorities to arrest them, so they stick to the play book, and hardly deviate. The occasional ‘may,’ and question mark, leave them enough room to wiggle out of any/all prophecies that excite the members and make them engage with the church. They are all snakes, but some snakes are smarter than others, and all of them are smarter than Weinland.

    The COGs are all the same. They just have different names, but they all make pathetic prophecies, demand tithes, usurp the ministry of Jesus and say THEY are the only way to Salvation, and so on. They also recycle the usual prophecies endlessly, thus they can milk Revelation/ the Two Witnesses forever, they just have to make sure the cycle leaves enough time for a generation to pass and forget the earlier “prophecies” when it is time to make a new batch of the same old prophecies.Once a COG always a COG = lies, abuse, financial fraud, and spiritual elites who “deserve” the money of the plebes…because “that is how God’s Government works…”Laura gets panties and wine, Ron gets a bunch of BMWs and the morons get to pretend they are being blessed with exciting news about how awesome their imaginary future is.

    Let them eat out of that toilet…they deserve the misery for having supported these bottom-dwelling “ministers” for so long.

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  11. Randy what happen with April, Ralph and Parker and the other elders after they left. Did they go with another group. Have they ever posted on hear?

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  12. Well, at least there isn’t a mountain of Ron’s usual lengthy and wordy nonsense this week.

    Bilbo, you would think it’d be common sense that the burden of proof is on the minister. Unfortunately, and sadly, the weaseling out will continue.

    Summer semester is over. Just one more (starts in two weeks) and I’ll be a college graduate! Life is wonderful now. Thanks to you all because you’ve all had a part in getting so many people out of the cesspool that is pkg.. Thank you from me and my kids 😀

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  13. Pack said this (emphasis mine):

    “(1) Haggai 1:11 reveals that God calls for a “drought,” more correctly translated “desolation,” involving a list of very distinct categories within the splinters. The categories that God lists are comprehensive—COMPLETE. One of my previous announcements explained them. “Desolation” means desolation, NOT something short of desolation. God’s plain meaning is that He plans to DESTROY these organizations.”

    Pack said “destroy,” as in completely. That is NOT a few members will cross over with the Holy Spirit. The PKG will be GONE, meredith will be GONE, Thiel’s Tiny Church of “What-If, Maybe?” Prophecy will be GONE. And this is GOD’S PROPHETIC WILL…RECORDED IN THE BIBLE.

    So you are right, I was wrong in assuming that he meant everyone would join him, but don’t forget that he has PROPHESIED as God’s (self-appointed) End Time Elijah that the COMPLETE destruction of the COGs has been proclaimed by GOD via Haggai. It is IN THE BIBLE, so if Pack is wrong, then GOD LIED, because Pack is quoting GOD’S WORD.

    1. The COGS are all doomed.

    2.This is God’s Will recorded in the Bible.

    Pack is a False Prophet, and the Bible is a lie. August 6 -31st will prove both, like it or not.

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  14. My guess, and it’s just a guess, is that events will occur on the Sabbaths. As the splinter groups will be gathered on those days.

    But nobody knows.

    I do think part of it is already being fulfilled, as RCG is being swamped with calls from splinter people who want to attend

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    1. I do think part of it is already being fulfilled, as RCG is being swamped with calls from splinter people who want to attend

      What is the basis for this statement? Swamped with how many calls?

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  15. David Pack says that this month all that God is working with in the splinter groups will be given an opportunity to move over to Restored by the 31st (August 2013)
    Those that don’t will go into the tribulation and die a painful and horrible death unless they receive the mark of the beast and if they do that then they will go into hellfire. and die for eternity.
    He also claims that at present they have 21 feast sites but they will be adding many more as people come over and will have scores of sites (that’s this year)
    That entire congregations from the other COGs will roll over and become Restored sites.
    Its interesting to note he says in his latest posting

    How do the thousands already in The Restored Church of God fit into this number

    Yet when I was talking to a Restored minister late last year he was saying that PKG has more members than Restored.
    At that time PKG had approximately 800 members worldwide.
    So pack is saying that they have gained thousands of members this year.
    This is not so in my area as even with all the intensive advertising they have been doing, they only have around 5 or 6 new members but have lost four members that I know of.(could be more that I do not know of)
    Me thinks he is stretching the truth a wee bit on numbers.

    ——————————
    Since writing the above have been talking to a restored member and they confirmed the lack of growth in this area.
    ——–
    I also double checked with this person what another Restored member had told me several weeks back and that is David Pack had said he would name the three Sheppard’s that are to die before this years FOT.
    He now says it is not his purpose to name them nor say when or how they will die.
    ——–
    He also is saying that any ex worldwide member that does not join Restored this month will lose Gods spirit,
    Elsewhere he has said that any ex worldwide member that doesn’t join Restored will be laodiceans and go into the tribulation.
    The worldwide teaching he claims to have restored is that to be a laodiean you have Gods holy spirit in you, its just that a Laodicean is luke warm.
    Very much like R Weinland, lots of double talk.
    ———-
    Apparently he plans to finance all the land he has bought and the buildings he has had built this year with the tithes and offerings from all these new members, plus all the cash from the bank accounts the ministers from the other COGs will bring over with them.
    Claims any other group that receives tithes is stealing them, as they all belong to Restored.
    So with that reasoning he will not be stealing from the other COGs nor will the minister be stealing it when he arrives with the bank account of the church he has just left.
    ———-
    An interesting month for Restored members as he will undoubtedly double talk his way out of these prophecies as they fail.
    Probably do as Ron does and say he just has the year out by one or possibly even two.
    ———–
    Martin is repeating what Pack has been saying and that is they are having many people contacting them.
    Many that left Worldwide and never went to any of the splinters contacting them and so on.
    ————
    Martin:
    Should the prophecies Pack has been giving take place I will have to eat a huge helping of humble pie.
    Should they not take place then I only hope you and others see him for what he is.
    This doesn’t mean any have to turn their back on God, just realize, Pack like Weinland is a false prophet.
    ———-

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  16. Martin says: “My guess, and it’s just a guess, is that events will occur on the Sabbaths. As the splinter groups will be gathered on those days.

    But nobody knows.”

    Magical thinking Martin. I suggest that you join the Mormons and the happy throng of Joseph Smith fans.
    If you can locate those golden tablets let me know. I can send my crew on over and dig them up and bank them.

    You’ll get a 20% cut!

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  17. Here is what is going to happen: nothing. And Pack will come up with some stupid f-ing explanation that God is now using X, and that the real meaning of his words was Y, and Z is spiritual, and that (insert yet another stupid lie here). I fully support Martin’s right to believe what he wants and fully support his right to tell me what he believes without hindrance. Martin enjoys his beliefs, good for him. I sincerely mean that. Here’s what I also fully support: the fact that anyone who believes this pig crap is a total, and complete idiot. Nothing is going to happen because nothing ever happens. I have been watching this parade of nincompoops for decades, starting with their idiot/God Herbert W. Armstrong.

    Herbie got 100% wrong, Tkach, Weinland, Pack, Flurry, Hume, Ames, Meredith, Nelson, Smith, Harris..pick a name, if they were/are these partial-birth abortions of the WWCG they are already complete idiots before they even wake up in the morning.

    Welcome to the Toilet,. Careful, it is full of COG theology, and will make you sick if you go near it…

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  18. But let;’s not gang up on Martin He believes something will happen.

    Let’s watch all this nothing occur and let him explain to us just how “wrong” we all were! LOL!

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  19. Actually, come to think of it, this is a great chance for Gone And Forgotten, and Left AtLast, and the other newcomers here to learn something very valuable and encouraging.

    The Bible says in Deuteronomy 18;22 that we don’t have to fear or even listen to, a false prophet: one who says God told them something was going to happen, or they say it in God’s Name. SO?

    Let’s watch. Is what David Pack saying gong to come true? Nope. Not matter how he spins it, 3 COG leaders are NOT going to die this month, unless Pack murders them himself! He also said the other COGS would be COMPLETELY destroyed. Completely. Not partially, or in half measures. Thiel? Done. Weinland? Finished. Meredith? Back to bed.

    1. COGS completely destroyed. Not spiritually, Actually completely dismantled and gone.

    2. 3 leaders of other COGS magically dead by the will of God.

    EXACTLY that must happen. The Bible says so. That and NOTHING else. Deuteronomy 18:22. Anything else is a lie and an excuse.

    Now, to the newly departed members of the PKG: you were told over and over that leaving Ron was to leave God. Pack tells everyone the same thing. Any COG member of any church who does NOT join him in his church in August LOSES their Salvation and will be punished by God, etc, etc. That is NOT what the Bible says. Jesus, the SVIOUR of ALL said that HE ALONE was the path, the Way the TRUTH. Thus, you need not fear Pack. he defies the word of Jesus. GOD, Jesus’s Father is NOT going to support those who MOCK and OPPOSE Christ’s offer of Salvation.

    You left Ron, Nothing bad happened. You reject pack’s stupid lies, and you will be BETTER OFF for it. If God is angry at you he has a funny way of showing it – by making you happier and freer, and better educated, and richer for not sending your hard earned money off to buy laura some panties and another BMW.

    Laugh at these a-holes, and do not fear their imaginary, toilet dwelling god…

    Watch and learn. You are not opposing God by leaving the COGS. David Pack and the month of August will be further proof of it.

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  20. So let me take the lead here.

    I, Avalokiteshvara, completely mock and oppose Ronald Weinaland, as well as David Pack and his stupid church, and the stupid imaginary COG god they hear in their heads. August will come and go and his EXACT prophecy that must take place or else he is a false prophet, and his stupid statements will pass like so much beer through a football fan at the SuperBowl. He is lair, and I reject his fake god. I reject everything he says and everything he says God says. Hear that, COG God? You are a loser.

    Easy. I have nothing to fear, and neither do you. Guaranteed.

    Join me…

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  21. I’m already there, Avelo. No more being threatened at the point of a spiritual gun, no more sword of Damocles hanging over my head by a hair. No more hijackers who are desperate men making their non-biblical apocalyptic threats for a buck and some followers. No more handing over control of my life, thoughts and beliefs to anyone. It’s just me and my own choices, by my own responsibility.

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  22. Meredith hasn’t been feeling well lately and he could before the end of the month, but I wouldn’t take any bets on it (remember, he was personally cursed by Conald Swineland, so he will probably live on and on because God is ticked with Uncle Rotten Ronnie and will curse all his blessings and bless all his cursings).

    Of course, PackItAllIn had better not be talking about Mikey as one of the three major leaders or there’s going to be hell to pay.

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  23. Since Mikey has been working so hard on helping me with a new project, he was somewhat disappointed in the above posting that I didn’t provide the right ACoG URL for his church, The Supreme Cult because of the vagaries of posting on blogs, but just use the new address and he’ll be happy.

    And remember about the 5 tithes under “doctrines”.

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