True Fellowship Part 3

False Prophet Ronald Weinland sharpened his #2’s, and has his weekly ramblings up a day earlier than last weeks.

I wonder if Anne Wrozek still fellowships with Terry.  Laura and Audra will of course not do so during their visit to Detroit this coming weekend.

————————-  Ronnie’s Posting ———————————-

The subject in this current series of posts has covered matters that concern a nearly unfathomable comprehension (even with God’s spirit) of what it means that the One Eternal Self-existing God should call someone into a personal “Family” relationship – fellowship – with him.

This in turn means that one is then called into a unique fellowship with His Son and with His Church, others whom He has called.

Yet in the midst of such a calling, it is a great paradox that some who are called can become contemptuous and disdainful of that relationship. It is yet another kind of paradox that such people who become removed from such true fellowship can actually delude themselves into believing that they still have fellowship with God while rejecting His instruction and His true Church to which they were originally called or spiritually reawakened. It is almost unimaginable that such separation from fellowship can finally become manifest over some of the smallest matters in life, like the one just covered in the last post, as to whether or not one can wear make-up.

Inspiration for This Post
At this point it would be good to explain how the inspiration for this post came about. My wife, daughter, and myself were discussing the account of someone who recently became disfellowshipped and how the Church should address the matter.

When someone comes to the point where they manifest the actions that lead to their being disfellowshipped, it is often somewhat startling what is actually revealed that comes out of their heart (mind). It also becomes painfully obvious that such individuals have deceived themselves into believing they are okay with God, while they easily and openly speak out against God’s teaching (doctrine, truth, instruction), His Church, and His ministry.

Laura and Audra had just previously been discussing this matter with each other before talking to me about it. They each shared Biblical principles and scriptures that pertain to the spirit of “false fellowship” with God, Christ, and the Church. I then asked both to write down these principles and scriptural instructions that they had been mentioning to me. At that point, I already knew this was to be what I was to address in the next post. Most of what will be covered in the remainder of this post on the subject of “true fellowship” is from what they had discussed about this subject. I also find it inspiring to note that God (at this same time) has also been giving inspiration to recent sermons in direct and related subject matter concerning true fellowship and God’s government in His Church.

What Kind of Fellowship?
Rather than beginning this series with the subject of “disfellowshipment,” Christ has inspired that what should first be addressed is “true fellowship” with God. To better grasp the ugliness of becoming disfellowshipped from God, His Son, and His Church, it is so very important to focus first on the incredible awesomeness, as well as the immeasurable honor and gift (blessing) it is to have such privilege and opportunity to be offered such true fellowship.

Once called to such a relationship, each person must continuously, throughout their life, make choices as to what kind of fellowship they individually want to have with God’s Family, which includes God and His Son at the forefront. As it has already been covered, the history of the Church reveals that many have turned from God’s calling and chose “something else” rather than that true relationship to which they had originally been called. They chose instead to be disfellowshipped – they chose death.

The occasion of the manifestation of this disfellowshipment that my wife, daughter, and I were discussing concerned a choice that two people had made as they decided to have fellowship with several others who had previously been disfellowshipped. There is much instruction on this from God, yet people often minimize, ignore, disagree, and/or justify their disobedient actions to such scriptures and teaching from God.

Often, the basic response to such a decision is that “no man” or “no one” is going to tell me who I can and cannot have fellowship with. Indeed, that is the attitude, even though that is exactly what God instructs concerning those who have been disfellowshipped – not to have fellowship with them. But to the human carnal mind of one who no longer has God’s instruction, teaching, way, and spirit in the forefront of their mind, it “seems right” to them that they should be able to choose for themselves who they want for friends. Just as Proverbs says, “There is a way that seems right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death” (Prov. 16:25). So choosing to have fellowship with those disfellowshipped “seems to be right” to such people, and no one is going to tell them otherwise.

That kind of choice is the result of “base” human nature, which is controlled by lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. But, one should be seeking to bring true control into their life by yielding self to God’s true ways and fighting against one’s own human nature. Only by yielding to God and learning to control self can one come into true unity that produces God’s peace in life. It is a mind that yields to pride that lifts self up above God (spiritual idolatry) and says, “No one will tell me who I can fellowship with.” It is a “lust of the eyes” to want something that is not ours to have – to want fellowship with those disfellowshipped. It is a “lust of the flesh” that fulfills such action – actually fellowshipping with those disfellowshipped.

This specific kind of choice is the basic “heart and core” of the sin that Adam and Eve committed when they separated themselves from God and that fellowship with Him when they began to “decide for themselves” what was right and what was wrong. They did not look to God as their authority: “And the Eternal God said, behold, the man is become as one of us (as already ‘in’ the God Family), to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever: therefore the Eternal God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground (no longer provided for by God) from where he was taken” (Gen. 3:22-23). God removed Adam and Eve from His fellowship – they were disfellowshipped from God and His presence.

Paul’s Instruction
Most people know of the story where Paul addressed the matter of disfellowshipping a man from the members of the Church at Corinth (1 Cor. 5). It is where a man was having a sexual relationship with his stepmother. The congregation was aware of this relationship and had chosen to “turn a blind eye” to his sin rather than addressing it as they should have. Paul said they had actually been lifted up in pride (became puffed up as leaven), choosing to allow something to continue in their midst (that seemed right to them to allow) that was clearly against God’s instruction to them. Paul explained that he had already written to them not to keep company with fornicators, the covetous, extortioners, and idolaters “of the world” as a matter of close friendship and fellowship. Yet he also explained that they would still have encounters with such people in the world and could not altogether remove themselves from their presence in everyday dealings of life.

In this account of 1 Corinthians 5, Paul is now adding to this previous instruction in stronger terms by making it clear that if such things are not to be part of close friendship and fellowship in the world, then how much more so should it be applied in the fellowship of the Church.

He went on to tell them that this man should be disfellowshipped and “to deliver such unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 5:5). Certainly, the desire is that one would be sobered to repent and change once disfellowshipped and brought back into fellowship as Paul later explained in 2 Corinthians. However, first and foremost, sin and those who “practice” it, without repentance, should be removed from the presence of the Body. This is just as Adam and Eve, in their sin, had to be removed from the presence of God. Sin, if allowed to continue in the Body, will spread as leaven in bread spreads. No one is “bigger or stronger” spiritually as to be unaffected by such influence.

Paul explained that the Church has a responsibility to judge and act upon such matters “within the Church.”

“But now I have written unto you not to keep company (to give fellowship and friendship), if any man that is called a brother (supposed to be living as a member of the Body of Christ – in truth and in spirit) be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat. For what have I to do with those who are without the Church (outside the Church – as God’s government is not at work in the lives of those in the world)? Are you not to judge those who are within the Church (God’s government works in His Church)? But those who are without (outside the Church), God judges (brings to judgment in His time). Therefore put away (disfellowship) from among yourselves this wicked person” (1 Cor. 5:11-13).

The instruction to them was that the Church (and all in it) are to participate in the judgment that is to be carried out against someone who is “living” against God’s ways in an unrepentant and unchanging manner. It is a matter of every member being in unity in support of judgment with the actions taken toward anyone who has placed themselves in the position of living against God’s ways (actively resisting God’s spirit to dwell in them) becoming antichrist in actions and practice. When understanding such instruction, who would choose to have fellowship with someone who has actively placed themselves against Christ? The world is ignorant of how they are living contrary to God’s one true way of life, but all who are “called” by God are without excuse, once they have received the life of Christ to live (dwell) in them, to then turn against him and his purpose in suffering for us as our Passover.

Importance of Being At One
At the beginning of this series, the matter of working to “keep the unity of the spirit” – of being at one with God – was addressed. The importance of such unity and oneness with God is basic to the kind of Family God has called us to be transformed and born into. It is a Family that will live life age-lasting without end. It is a Family where each member is fully at one in unity of spirit with God’s one true way of peace.

There is a refreshing insight that was given by one of our sr. elders as she was relating to us her response to what was covered in that section of the post about unity of spirit. I’m going to share that with you.

“In the section where it was covered we have to love less all others (than God) and as I strive to keep God and the Church first, I fall short because deep down, I love me more than anything. This is what I have to learn to love less. I have to quit worrying about ‘self’ and ‘self’s stinking rotten pride.’ And it finally hit me, unity = peace. Of course it does. When you are unified you are thinking and acting the same, therefore peace is the result. I keep saying I want unity, I want peace!”

Let’s return to the scripture that speaks of working to keep unity within the Church and build more upon it.

“Endeavoring to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace. There is one body, and one spirit, even as you are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord (Jesus Christ), one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all” (Eph. 4:3-6).

Why is it seemingly so difficult for the “many” to grasp something so basic, so clear, so elementary to one’s calling? For as Christ said, “many are called, but few are chosen.” The reason is that this is only “clear” to those who endeavor (work) at being in unity and oneness with all that God reveals (gives) to them. Those who do are those who can experience the true peace of God’s way. But peace of spirit and mind cannot be experienced where divisiveness, critical attitudes, disobedience, and pride (one’s own ways) flourish and dwell.

As we know, the majority of the Church that was scattered after the Apostasy is going to become reunited over a period beginning shortly before and immediately upon Christ’s coming as King of kings. This is something I deeply long for when all those people recapture the experience and truth that there is only one Body of Christ that is united by one spirit and that consists of one faith (one belief that is lived). The Church is not composed of many differing faiths and beliefs as some seem to accept (allow) in their thinking.

Ephesians also states that there is one God and Father of all, and not that there are two Gods – only one! Who else in the scattered body knows and believes (lives by such faith) this truth that God has revealed (in 2005) to His Church since the Apostasy? How then can anyone who has believed, and still does believe this truth, think they can take such belief with them into a different kind of fellowship than the one where they first received this truth?

Indeed, there is only one truth to believe and live by – one faith. Understanding, living, and believing this is truly spiritually rudimentary. There is only one source for God’s truth and that is from God, through Jesus Christ, to God’s one true Church.

To experience “true fellowship” as members of the Body of Christ, one must be joined together in the same singleness of spirit that is in Christ: “But he who is joined unto the Lord (Christ) is one spirit” (1 Cor. 6:17). There cannot be some other spirit joined together in God’s Church.

On the last night of his earthly existence (on Passover night), Jesus Christ prayed to his Father about keeping the Church unified in one spirit and one truth – that which originates from God.

“I have given them (the disciples and all who will follow) your word and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray that you would take them out of the world, but that you would keep them from the evil (evil one). They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them (set them apart for holy use and purpose) through your truth. Your word is truth” (Jn. 17:14-17).

Christ was making it clear that those who were given to him by God would be “set apart” from all others in the world by the truth that God would give them. It is God’s revealed truth that sets apart those in God’s true Church from all others. God has blessed His Church with 57 Truths in this end-time. Those in unity and oneness with God’s truth are able to experience true fellowship with God, Jesus Christ, and all others who are members of that one Body. Christ prayed even more about this:

“And for their sakes I sanctify myself so that they might be sanctified through the truth. Neither do I pray for these alone, but for those also who will believe on me through their word (the same truth), so that they all may be one; as you father, are in me, and I in you, so that they also may be one in us, and that the world may believe that you have sent me. The glory (contained in the Word, the truth of God, that can dwell in the mind – which “glory” is of God) which you gave me, I have given to them so that they may be one (in us), even as we are one: I in them, and you in me, so that they may be perfected in one” (Jn. 17:19-23).

These words are most profound and cry out to the importance of the members of the Body of Christ being able to ever grow in unity and oneness of truth and spirit – sharing in the glory of true fellowship with God and Christ.

(This series will be continued into Pt. 4.)

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48 thoughts on “True Fellowship Part 3

  1. “My wife, daughter, and myself were discussing”

    Confirmation about who is in charge and who he discusses organisation decisions with. There is the senior leadership team of the PKG church

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  2. Pure damage control continues. As always every word is designed to prop up the reader’s fear and dependency.

    There is no life or hope of any kind unless you channel all your spirituality through Ron specifically. Any actual family you had is irrelevant versus the cult “family” of busybodies. Said busybodying is of course, the best measure of someone’s spiritual health. Those that left, of course, explicitly chose to service the devil. Your entire existance, and all of human history, is irrelevant, your whole worldview is only what Ron says it is.

    Psychopaths systematically discard spent victims, or perceived threats. The entire shrowding of disfellowshipping as something Holy and Good is a facade covering up a psychopath’s self protection.

    This is such mental disease, such unnecessary hostage taking of a mind. There is nothing about this that reflects anything sound or good. Any readers that are still loyal are being exploited for their social and financial capital.

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  3. But now I have written unto you not to keep company (to give fellowship and friendship), if any man that is called a brother (supposed to be living as a member of the Body of Christ – in truth and in spirit) be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat. For what have I to do with those who are without the Church (outside the Church – as God’s government is not at work in the lives of those in the world)? Are you not to judge those who are within the Church (God’s government works in His Church)? But those who are without (outside the Church), God judges (brings to judgment in His time). Therefore put away (disfellowship) from among yourselves this wicked person” (1 Cor. 5:11-13).

    Maybe we should start naming the drunkards adulteries, fornicators and wife abusers who are in fellowship in PKG. What hypocrites. Maybe start with the elders

    There is a refreshing insight that was given by one of our sr. elders as she was relating to us her response to what was covered in that section of the post about unity of spirit. I’m going to share that with you.
    “In the section where it was covered we have to love less all others (than God) and as I strive to keep God and the Church first, I fall short because deep down, I love me more than anything. This is what I have to learn to love less. I have to quit worrying about ‘self’ and ‘self’s stinking rotten pride.’ And it finally hit me, unity = peace. Of course it does. When you are unified you are thinking and acting the same, therefore peace is the result. I keep saying I want unity, I want peace!”

    Well we all know who this is.

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  4. Yes it is her. She does love herself more than anyone else and likes to boost about it. Most of what is written she has said before. And loves repeating it. Most of the men in pkg can’t stand her. She loves to party from what I saw at the feast in Missouri. She is right about one thing, she is very full of pride. Just ask anyone that knows her that is on this blog.

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  5. Eric,
    You sir, are correct! No one else’s ( followers, elders, etc;) thoughts, input, needs, or suggestions matter one iota to “Team” Swineland. Nice observation and TRUE description. They are the only three players in the game. That’s why I feel strongly that all of them should have been indicted and serving long prison sentences. Jeremy should be as an accomplice or aiding them and benefitting also although he is somewhat detached from daily operations. Kind of like a bank robber handing me cash and I know that it was stolen. I would be tossed in jail too for not turning the robber in and spending the cash. No difference. Their way, THIER MONEY >>>>>God’s money?

    Yes, it is very apparent that Ron is concerned with “disfellowshipment” (say what?) and damage control of PAYING members. He will continue to pound that drum. MORE WILL LEAVE. What is that word? I am no grammar or spelling Nazi and make plenty of mistakes myself, but come on Ronnie. Was he trying to say this fellow’s shipment or something? I saw a comment in the previous thread about that word and was wondering. Now I get the picture. AN answer to the prior poster’s question. Yes, it is a word in Ron’s crazy mind. He is God #3 and is always right. Remember? Screwthemupandover. There is another word Ron can add to HIS verbage. That’s what he does best. PACK of CROOK PIGS!

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  6. “extortioner” Another fancy imaginary word. Might want to try ist instead Ron, go look into a mirror on that one. PIG! Maybe I will read the Three Little Pigs to my daughter for her bedtime story tonight. Ron, and his two plus sized Victoria Secrets models are The Three Big Money Grubbing Pigs.

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  7. Janet,
    Sorry to burst your bubble but this Beth is out done by far on the loving yourself stuff by Ron, Laura, and Audra the brain child.

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  8. The occasion of the manifestation of this disfellowshipment that my wife, daughter, and I were discussing concerned a choice that two people had made as they decided to have fellowship with several others who had previously been disfellowshipped.

    I attend another COG church and I have to speak up about a part of this post. This couple was disfellowshipped for attending a wedding in Missouri of someone they knew for years. If this is not a cult what is. Next someone won’t be allowed to attend a funeral or someone who is sick in fear of being thrown out. It had nothing to do with religion but just being a good friend.

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  9. Most people know of the story where Paul addressed the matter of disfellowshipping a man from the members of the Church at Corinth (1 Cor. 5). It is where a man was having a sexual relationship with his stepmother. The congregation was aware of this relationship and had chosen to “turn a blind eye” to his sin rather than addressing it as they should have.

    Many in pkg knew how the Weinlands were stealing God’s money but didn’t speak up. Many know things are going on in the church but are not being addressed. But they continue on as elders. Laura continues to spread lies and gossip but it is not addressed.

    So before attacking others get your own house in order. OH Ron is setting in jail for stealing. Why has he not be removed and why is he still getting a pay check and why is the church paying his fines.

    Because the members are “turning a blind eye”

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  10. Just read a small part of the post and it is almost impossible to believe that people will sit and believe the swill this man is capable of spewing out of his mouth. All in the name of God. Either they don’t believe there is a God or they are just plain insane.

    “I have given them (the disciples and all who will follow) your word and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not pray that you would take them out of the world, but that you would keep them from the evil (evil one). They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them (set them apart for holy use and purpose) through your truth. Your word is truth” (Jn. 17:14-17).

    God has had mercy and opened our eyes and removed us from this cult of idol worshipers. They are sitting there and worshiping Ron and his wife and not asking God where He fits in all this. We are the ones who have been kept from the evil one (Ron). We have been set apart from the lies that are being taught. We are the ones that they hate so much they can’t sleep at night unless they tear us down. What are they so afraid of if not us? Or are they afraid of the truth. There is no peace in that group.

    But I think that it is an even bigger lie that he says they have unity and love one for another. I have been there and have heard the ugly gossip that is spread though the group. How they tear each other down. If you tell one of the elders some thing in confidence they can’t wait to spread all the filth throughout the whole congregation. And the worse the sin is the faster it travels. I know this from personal experience. And who are the biggest slanders of them all. I’ll let you guess.

    And the fellowshipping on Friday night is great. You can drink all you want and talk about others and slander them. But if you invite your friends from PKG everything is great. This is true fellowship. Do you think that God is even mentioned at these fellowship parties. Do you think that God was even invited or that He would attend.

    There is so much filth and corruption going on in that group (and not just the Weinlands) that it will take an act of God to clean it all up. How many do you think will be left standing when all this is over? Sorry to go on and on but this last post has done it for me. I truly pray that God will remove them before many more lose their spiritual lives. They are all mocking God and His Word.
    Donna

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  11. Dan says:
    “I attend another COG church and I have to speak up about a part of this post. This couple was disfellowshipped for attending a wedding in Missouri of someone they knew for years.”

    Ronald Weinland is an imbecile. Those that follow him need to wake up to this fact.

    Christ’s first miracle, was at a wedding feast of people of this world. While it is true that Christ would not have attended it, if it were just going to be a bunch of people getting drunk and reveling. It was not a church event or function, and yet he attended, was a gracious help to his mother, and performed his first miracle here.

    Ron disfellowshipped this couple because they would not submit to his control.
    Ronald Weinland is a control freak. Ron loves to rule over people. If he can’t rule over you, you are disfellowshipped.

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  12. Ron says: “It is a “lust of the eyes” to want something that is not ours to have – to want fellowship with those disfellowshipped. It is a “lust of the flesh” that fulfills such action – actually fellowshipping with those disfellowshipped.”

    LOL! Now talking to people Ron doesn’t like is “sin” and meeting with those who reject Ron’s anti-Christ message is “lust”!! How much more arrogant can you get?

    JESUS CHRIST FELLOWSHIPPED WITH TAX COLLECTORS AND PROSTITUTES to encourage them to change, the Apostles proclaimed Christ to hostile crowds, repeatedly, early Christians preached the Gospel knowing full well that they would end up as a lion’s breakfast in the Coliseum…and Weinland can’t handle having a cup of tea with an old friend who is ex-PKG? What kind of terrified little god is Weinland preaching? To talk with “outsiders” is lust and sin? LOL! If Weinland’s Gospel is so awesomely powerful then why is it so fragile? Questioning Ron’s THREE FAILED ‘RETURN OF CHRIST’ prophecies with an ex-member (who rejected Ron to accept Christ) is ‘sin”?

    Talk about cowardice… 🙂

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  13. 2 Thessalonians 3
    Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

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  14. And Of course part 4 , just when you thought it was over , The fear and evil continues . I knew this would be at least 4 Parts, Ron always has so much to give. Pkg there are forces at work behind Ron and they are not Good.

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  15. Donna “there is no peace in that group”
    Ezekiel 13:10 because indeed , because they have seduced My people, saying, ‘Peace!’ when there is no peace—and one builds a wall, and they plaster it with untempered mortar— 11 say to those who plaster it with untempered mortar, that it will fall.

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  16. Thus says the Lord God: “Woe to the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 O Israel, your prophets are like foxes in the deserts. 5 You have not gone up into the gaps to build a wall for the house of Israel to stand in battle on the day of the Lord. 6 They have envisioned futility and false divination, saying, ‘Thus says the Lord!’ But the Lord has not sent them; yet they hope that the word may be confirmed. 7 Have you not seen a futile vision, and have you not spoken false divination? You say, ‘The Lord says,’ but I have not spoken.”

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  17. (Acts): God help those in PKG

    Why should He? They have all the keys and materials they need to depart the insane lying convicted felon false prophet.

    There is a saying that God helps those who help themselves.

    I would think that God is just going to let the remaining PKG members stew in their own idolatry to suffer for their abject godlessness.

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  18. Douglas, you are right. But The scary part about this ,and some may not believe it, Ron is of the Devil . He has help from the evil one. He is extremely subtle and the people in PKG WILL ONLY SEE IT WITH GODS HELP. I know how obvious it is to everyone here, but the people in it are stuck in serious deception on a grand scale . Ron , Laura , God is going to do away with you. You will not repent, you could not even fathom the idea , that’s how lifted up you have become. You have corrupted your wisdom just like your master.

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  19. 20Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

    23Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

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  20. Matthew24:23 then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25Behold, I have told you before.

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    1. Ron has claimed to be a biblical figure (one of the Two Witnesses) and paralleled himself to others (Paul, Moses, even Jesus). Ron is none of these.

      But he is still mentioned in the Bible. In the verse “Acts” just quoted.

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  21. 2 Thessalonians 2:5
    5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

    6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

    7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

    8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

    Ron believes This is about one man Joseph W. Tkach. What he fails to see is it is also about himself , and all false Prophets. It parallels what Christ says in Matthew 24:24 .

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  22. Avelo pointed it out with laser precision. Jesus didn’t hang with the Pharisees. He hung out with everyone else, and was criticized for it by those same Pharisees. Mark 2: 13-17. What’s the bible say about Pharisees? Matthew 23:25-28, and 33.

    True story about friends who grew up together in WWCG as children, and remained so through UCG and PKG. A few of them became office holders in PKG (one will be referred to as the friend, and the others as the family).

    A member of the family was disfellowshipped, and though being with them was forbidden, the friend was a true friend and remained faithful to them in their trouble, seeing the disfellowshipped person and the rest of the family through unto death and after. But as soon as the friend left PKG after learning of Ron’s theft of tithe money and conviction of theft from the government, the remaining family cut this friend off completely. It didn’t matter that this friend remained a true friend to them through their family’s troubles and trials and sorrows, from childhood onward. This friend was a true friend showing Jesus’s / biblical example regardless of stupid edicts authored by Ron. But was repaid by being cut off by the family that was left, as soon as the friend walked out PKG’s door.

    Isn’t it clear that bible verse is being “twisted and perverted” by Ron? Isn’t it clear that it’s being twisted by him to protect his income, and to prevent his remaining followers from finding out the truth? Those are his main goals, no matter the wordy cloaking. People who have realized the lies and deception rampant from the top down in PKG are a threat to Ron. Ron’s sins have found him out. That’s why he’s so hot to isolate the remaining brethren, to hide his sins. His edicts are self interest in the grossest sense. . Ron and co’s love of money is the root of all of this evil. And THAT is what is sickening.

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  23. Been saying for a long time that the PKG is prototypical textbook Pharisees. Emulating the behaviors Pharisees were denounced for, pretty much to the smallest detail.

    Ron’s attacks on friendships and families; application of heavy, even desperate psychology to influence his audience; the continuous programming to put the Cult above all – it mixes people up so bad it’s devastating. They abandon relationships they would have cherished in their normal healthy state. Just like drug addicts – they are not thinking clearly, are under influence, and hurt and abandon people who they otherwise love deeply when in a normal state.

    The people that wait too long to get out are going to be isolated, alone, and eventually devastated. The membership will keep turning over, except for a few hardcore. You’ll constantly be meeting new people, making friends, then being ordered to pretend they never existed. That is going to leave an empty and sad life over time. This cult, like everything else based on a lie, must eventually fall apart and come to its end.

    The biblical principles on disfellowshipping were meant to outcast serious criminals. These principles were meant to ensure pedophile priests got de-frocked and excommunicated. They were meant to avoid association with gangs and felons. They were meant to protect against serious issues and remove people who were serious deviants.

    Those scriptures were not meant to turn people into such obsessed busybodies such that everyone else is constantly doing something wrong. They were not meant to cause anyone to abandon their family because ham was served for dinner or some question was asked. They were not meant to cause Ron and Laura to choose your friends for you. That could turn into a very sad outcome.

    Ron and Laura are behaving the *opposite* of every biblical example of honorable behavior. Protecting their silly little cult at the expense of all honor, dignity, and truth.

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  24. “Ron and Laura are behaving the *opposite* of every biblical example of honorable behavior. Protecting their silly little cult at the expense of all honor, dignity, and truth.”

    People have needs, R&L’s is the power over people and the money for the life style.
    People are willing to give up one thing for another. In this case the quality given up is not physical like giving up a set of jewelry for a car. Its Honor, Dignity and Truth that is being given up for $$$. wRONg and clan can easily define in their heads that they have not given up these things, in fact they can talk loudly that they are the very heart of such qualities and at the same time bring in the physical $$$. In this way they retain both, in fact they become the very pinnacle of both – being Very Honorable, Very Dignified and the Very height of Truth while bringing in much $$$. But it all breaks down eventually. What did one president say? “A house divided against itself can not stand”. the forces that keep wRONgs house standing are going in opposite directions one from the other. The failing of his cult is thereby inevitable. This is why I state that wRONg is no mastermind or high class scammer. He is rather common and unable to look forward into his scam and make it work with full efficiency. This is why he is in jail. Still seeing himself as Honorable, Dignified and full of truth, even though he is a convicted felon, and doing all within his pencil power to keep the $$$ coming in. Its a hard life to do such, go in two directions at once, and he has done it for many years. It takes it toll after a time. Leaves the body and mind weak eventually with all the strain. Can he recover after his sentence? Hmmmm….

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  25. FedUp asked about what happened to Harold Camping’s followers.

    Camping himself eventually gave up date setting and called his May 21 prediction a sin, but a few of the sheep ‘stayed too long at the fair’
    and tarried long at the Flavor Aid…

    You see, May 21, 2011 was the start of the Judgment Day period. On May 21 the door of Heaven was shut and no one can get saved after that.
    Since all of the judgments and calamities in the book of Revelation are spiritual in nature, they are hence invisible. The latest theory is
    that this judgment period will last 1600 days and come to a close on the last day of Tabernacles in 2015 when the elect will be whisked up
    to glory, the rest of us (and the entire universe) will go *poof* in an instant and the new heaven and earth will begin where we will be
    ‘remembered no more’.

    Why 1600 days? Well, 40 is a number of trial in the Bible- the days of rain in the flood, the number of years Israelites wandered in the desert
    and a few others. 1600 is 40 X 40 and 1600 furlongs are mentioned in Revelation. I can’t make this stuff up, you’ll just have to see for yourself…

    http://www.may-212011.com/

    http://ebible2.com/1600-days

    Musical tribute:

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  26. Disfellowshipping doesn’t have the same force it once had under Armstrong. Actually, it never really had that much force. Nowadays, most people who are “disfellowshipped” have already moved on to another COG in the Armstrong wheel. When one rejects the claims of a “prophet” like Weinland and his family, it’s actually amusing when he wields the disfellowshipment sword. The pie is mostly in Weinland’s face over everyone who rejects him and leaves.

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  27. It’s just his personality to need that last word – a “you can’t quit I’m firing you” response. The main purpose is of course the propaganda and keeping up appearances for the remaining membership – after all everybody is disappearing, so naturally he’d spin it, that’s what he does.

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  28. As a young boy being raised in the WCG, I remember the first time we learned at sabbath services that someone in our local congregation had been disfellowshipped. It really made an impact, and was all I could think of for days afterward. Poor Mr. Smith! (not his real name). In the naivity of my youth, I just “knew” the course of his life had changed, and he was now suddenly destined for the Lake of Fire. It was as if he was no longer a person, and simply did not exist. Not a pretty picture.

    In those days, 1975 had not yet failed. If there were any white papers countering or refuting the doctrines, or raising questions about British Israelism, I certainly was unaware of them. With the proliferation of knowledge today, one must maintain a deliberate state of tunnel vision, or wilfull ignorance in order to remain a fully indoctrinated member of an ACOG. Because so many have left and been disfellowshipped, it does not quite carry the level of stigma which it once did. People now have recovery resources a couple of mouse clicks away, or can shop themselves around to less toxic ACOGs.

    It has also been proven many times that the demographic of these ACOGs consists of the aging remnant of the original group, many of whom have been at it for so long that it is virtually all they know. For them, leaving would not so much be a stigma as it would be traumatic from the standpoint of realizing they had wasted their entire lives believing the unsupportable theories of one man, now complicated by further ridiculous embelllishments at the hand of that man’s successors. It is not as if the successors are correcting errors, either. Any sins of, or errors of HWA are generally not repented of. Weinland simply replicated Herbie’s financial misdeeds without the benefit of the cadre of professionals that HWA had to deceive and exploit secular law enforcement and government.

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  29. weinland appeals to people like Beth, who seek power. Trust me I know she is my
    twin sister and she has deep issues from our childhood and he preys on people
    who are weak and need the position that was given her. It makes me sick to hear
    she has not given up the party life (we have no contact I can’t tolerate her being a
    part of that sick group) how is it he allows the drinking and partying to go on. I know
    of what Janet speaks! I know why he lets it go on- they continue to send in the money
    for his lavish lifestyle (I mean the wifey’ lifestyle)

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  30. bilbo says: “It’s just his personality to need that last word – a “you can’t quit I’m firing you” response.”

    Bingo.

    This is what Ronald (convicted tax thief) Weinland is doing.

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  31. Carol it must be tough to have a twin and not have that connection. I just wonder how her husband deals with pkg. At least the last I heard he was not a member. I still pray that God opens the eye’s of those who are being fooled. If they would just look for the facts that are out there. I know that the ones being disfellowshipped are being labeled so member won’t speak to them and find out the truth. Divide and conquer is the Weinlands way.

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  32. That must be so hard!!! I can’t even imagine not talking to my sister 😦

    I follow this blog several times a week to see how everyone is and what is the latest since it’s all hush hush around here when it comes to the church. I can say that my husband is an elder and reports monthly as directed to do. He never gets a response from Laura, Audra, or even when Ron was a free man. My husband thinks they are too busy to respond to someone like him…..SAD!!!! He has not been going to services as much and noticed he is easily distracted when trying to read or listen to the services. I even saw him searching the internet and it took him almost 5 hours to complete listening to a sermon!!!! He still has reports of BAD world wide news and weather linked to his phone and dwells on it a lot but not as much, so I am hopeful! He keeps sending in his money despite owing the government a substantial amount of back taxes. Please keep him in your prayers that he will come around and do the RIGHT thing!

    Unfortunately, I have to get a second job to put my child thru school , but on the upside we are all healthy, and wealthy in a special sense . I wish you all a happy and healthy new year!!!

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  33. Overit says, it looks like he is starting the process. Now is the time to be supportive it is so hard and a lot of things go through your mind when you start to realize something isn’t right and the biggest thing is what if I am wrong I am throwing everything away. Once he gets past that there is a peace of mind and things will start to fall into place. Prayers are always there for God to open up their minds and see what is really going on.

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  34. Carol, that must be so hard for you. So frustrating I’m sure. Hopefully your sister will come around.

    Overit – sounds promising!! You are one hell of a strong person. I hope when he wakes up to himself he will spend the rest of his life making it up to you. I’ll warn you though, when he does finally wake up, there’s a whole lot of self repairing he will need to do – it won’t be pretty. I was lucky my husband stuck around through it all. Your husband is a very very very very lucky man to have you.

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  35. CAROL:

    First of all, it is extremely brave of you to post such personal info about yourself and your sister…but it will serve as part of the healing process, knowing that your pain will shine much needed light on the effects of Weinland’s sickness. Also, it will serve as yet another reminder of how wrong Weinland is about us. The language may get heated at times, but we are completely unified in our desire to help the hurting and the heartsick. Weinland loves to pretend we are just a bunch of angry losers who don;t have enough of a life to keep us from posting here. He also likes to pretend that our resistance to his evil is just “the world” rejecting God and that Weinland is the new Elijah. Last I checked though, no actual Elijah figure, new or old, ever destroyed people like HWA, Pack, Hulme, Weinland and all the other WWCG scumbags have. You have done something, Carol, that Weinland is pathologically incapable of doing…being honest and telling the truth. You are a weapon of light…and your honest pain is a scathing indictment of Weinland’s anti-Christ ministry.

    Knowing that your example could maybe save your sister someone else may be cold comfort, but doing the right thing often feels as such. Evil hates the light, especially when it can’t shut it off…shine on, sister!

    Overit:

    The distraction is good. That means the rhetoric will now have to fight for space in your husband’s head with actual truth…and the truth will win if he allows it to. Actual truth…not my or your opinions, but actual truths like Ronald Weinland LIED on his daughter’s marriage certificate, lied to the IRS about the interest gained from his Swiss bank account(s), lied three times (!) about the Return of Christ happening according to his EXACT schedule to the HOUR, and lied about giving up IF/WHEN his book was proven to be 100% wrong. These are facts, and they will shatter Weinland’s cheap theology when he is ready for them to.

    The key is not pressuring him to see such things yet. As always, the best example is just being loving and honest, and gently pointing out just how provably wrong Weinland is without being argumentative. Your husband must see that TRUTH condemns Weinland, not you and I or any person’s OPINION…as he will think people are trying to trick him into not believing the God Weinland has sold him.

    When he sees that the TRUTH is not a trick, the blinders will come off, and he will gaze with his own eyes and mind upon the giant, infected bowl of pus that is the Weinland Cult…

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