True Fellowship Part 9

After a week off, Ron the Con is back with more nonsense, repeated below for your reading and commenting.

———————-  Ron’s Post, Indigestion for the Embryos  ————————-

Inset: Before continuing in this current series, it would be good to have an “inset” in order to interject some points of importance as to why this series is becoming longer. This inset also reflects the importance that God places on what He is giving His Church at this stage, and it is good to understand why.

This subject matter is being built upon what God’s entire purpose, plan, and creation is all about – Elohim. Now, just before Jesus Christ is sent back in his role as the Messiah, God is clarifying and magnifying more about His Family. This too is very much about a stronger Seventh Thunder.

We are actually building upon what has virtually been lost and ignored in the Ten Commandments, although it has always been right there in plain sight (physically). That which has been completely ignored is the first sentence of that First Commandment.

“I am the Eternal (Yahweh) your God (Elohim – Family), who has brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house (Heb. – household, family) of bondage. You shall have no other gods (elohim) before Me” (Ex. 20:2-3).

The Eternal God IS our Family! Those begotten by Him into that family are the Church and God desires we be faithful to Him and His Family (the Church) above all things. Failing to do so is to break the First Commandment. If our relationship is not right with those in this family, then we are raising up something else that is of greater importance to us (whatever that is), which is idolatry. In this world, especially in this end-time of mass technology and highly intrusive communication (i.e. the Internet, Facebook, cell phones, blogs, twittering, etc.), it is easy to betray brethren and spread true and untrue information far too easily and far too quickly.

It is easy to pass something along about another member of the Body that does not contain all the facts – all the truth of a matter. Even when something is stated to others outside the Body (a previous member or in the world) that is fully true, it does not mean that it should be communicated to others, especially to those who have left the fellowship or have been officially disfellowshipped. There are many today who seek to perversely “feed” upon everything they can in order to pass it along to others in a twisted and negative manner.

The people who “feed” upon the Church are not only past members, but are often relatives or others who are still “friends” (although truly questionable) who take every little morsel they can glean (or tear away) in order to “pass it along” to others who are also desirous of “feeding upon” the Church.

As Christ was telling the disciples about events that would lead up to His coming, he gave a description of a period of time for the Church in which it would be considered “dead” by those who have hated it. We are in that very specific period right now. Even as a prophetic description of how the Church, the Body of Christ, would be looked upon and treated just before final end-time events, Christ stated that, “For wheresoever the carcass (Gk.- corpse) is, there will the birds of prey (best understood as ‘vultures’) be gathered together” (Mat. 24:28). This describes well (spiritually so) those who seek to feed upon the Body of Christ, seeking to pick away at anything they can tear away in order to consume in a perverted, foul, and stinking manner.

Any in God’s Church who pass along ANY information about anyone else in the Body (which may seem totally innocent) are foolish to do so, and by doing so very often betray faithfulness to uphold and protect God’s Family. Being foolish and irresponsible like this can easily break the First Commandment and cut oneself off from God spiritually, although they may still be physically convening with the Church. In the first few centuries of the Church, and even beyond, the spreading of any information about another in the Church did lead to the literal death of others. We live in a serious time in this end-time and need to take it seriously as part of our calling and duty toward one another to not be careless in writing or in speaking. To do so can mean being fully cut-off from God. This is how important true fellowship is to God.

We have covered this material in this inset in order to help magnify the spiritual importance of what God is giving us. To understand what has just been covered it to learn “how” to judge many of the matters that will yet be covered toward the very end of this series once we get there.

We are now going to continue from where we left off in Part 8 as to what God gave through Paul concerning the phrase, “so that the spirit might be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” It is important to understand God’s purpose and love (carried out and administered by everyone God’s way) toward most all who become disfellowshipped from Him.

The Spirit Mind
Although some of the following knowledge has been given to God’s Church in the past few years, there is more to be built upon it, as God gives us more understanding of how He is creating Elohim.

To build upon what God has given His Church, it is necessary to start in the beginning. The angels were created of spirit essence – fully spirit in composition. They were not created to be robotic in nature in the sense of being programmed or given instinctive responses to various conditions in life, even as mankind was not created in such a way. The angels were made free moral agents, but unlike mankind, they were fully spirit in composition, including the makeup of their mind.

It also needs to be fully understood that while the angels were fully spirit, they were not of God’s holy spirit – of His mind or word (logos). God did not and does not “dwell in” them through His holy spirit as with those who are begotten of Him among mankind.

From the beginning, the angelic realm knew only God’s way of life. They were created in unity and complete harmony with God. They knew no other way and they rejoiced in all that God shared and taught them. We know well the story of what followed. Lucifer, one of the three archangels, decided (freely chose) to oppose God by determining for himself that He was not in agreement with all of God’s purpose, plan, and only true way of life. Lucifer turned away from God and His way to embrace “his own way” of pride, jealousy, envy, lust, greed, lying, hatred, etc. It was the way that is fully opposite of God – against God. Lucifer then became known as Satan the Devil – the Adversary of God.

When Lucifer first made the choice to oppose God’s word, his spirit mind became corrupted and defiled. That is exactly what God told him concerning his sin.

“Your heart (the most inner being reflecting will and purpose) was lifted up (pride) because of your beauty (taking unto himself the greatness God had given him). You have corrupted (Heb.- cause ruin, destroyed) your wisdom (the mind God had given him) by reason of your brightness” (Ex. 28:17).

Once Satan infected (damaged, began to destroy) his own mind (thinking and reasoning) through the choice of opposing God – through sin – his spirit mind became “permanently set” on his own course (way) of life. He became permanently opposed to God, as did all of the angels who followed him and became demons. Satan did destroy (fully corrupt) what God had given him. Nothing can change such corruption to a “spirit mind.” This was Satan’s own free choice. He did not want God’s ways – permanently so. Once a fully composed “spirit mind” sins (makes the choice to oppose God), there is no reversal nor desire or will to reverse such a course. The mind becomes “set” on some other course of one’s own thinking, but never again on God’s one true way – never again in any agreement with God.

This is sometimes difficult for people to understand or accept, as the mind of mankind is made differently. God made mankind different for a different purpose – so that mankind could be created into Elohim. The human mind is composed of a physical brain along with a spirit essence in it – the “spirit in man.” This is what Paul was referring to when he asked, “For what (does) man know (understand, see) of the things of man (the physical world around him), save (except by) the ‘spirit of man’ which is in him? Even so the things of God (all that is spiritual) no man knows, but (but by) the spirit of God” (1 Cor. 2:11).

By creating the human mind to be composed of both a physical component (the brain) together with a spiritual component (the spirit in man), the spirit essence of the mind can potentially be created into something new (a new creation) – something different from what it was before a person is begotten. This is just as Paul explained concerning those who dwell in Christ (those begotten of God’s spirit): “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature (Gk.- creation)” (2 Cor. 5:17).

The “spirit in man” can be changed (transformed) into something different. This spirit essence in the mind is not “set,” but can potentially be changed in thinking and purpose from that which before begettal is only motivated by selfishness, the way of get, and pride. Such a change can only happen as a matter of free choice once God calls a person, offers repentance of sin and forgiveness, and then gives the transforming power of His holy spirit to anyone who has been begotten who earnestly desires such help to be changed.

Cut Off From God’s Spirit
There are similarities between the human “begotten” mind being likened to a spiritual embryo and that of a physical embryo. They are both similar in the likeness of having a beginning stage of life that is not yet actually born, but they are able to have life (one physical and the other spiritual) because of the nourishment that is continually coming into the embryo and giving it the means to develop and grow. In a physical embryo, the umbilical cord carries nourishment for life to it through the blood. In a spiritual type of embryo God supplies nourishment for “spiritual life” (His holy spirit), which is accomplished because of the blood of Christ as our Passover. So there are similarities of design, but differences in function.

There is also likeness in how the embryo is connected by the umbilical cord, as it not only carries nourishment to the embryo, it also carries waste away. On a spiritual plane, as one is nourished spiritually, it is the blood of Christ that carries away the waste of that which is rejected that is harmful (hurtful) and worthless to the embryo. It is as John stated, “and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin” (1 Jn. 1:7).

However, there is a big difference in how this embryo is nourished. A human embryo must have a continual flow of blood through the umbilical cord in order to receive nourishment to develop and grow and to have life sustained until actual birth. If the flow of the blood through the umbilical cord is cut off, the fetus will cease developing and soon become aborted. This is not the same for how the “spirit begotten essence” (the spirit in man begotten of God’s holy spirit) actually develops and grows.

The flow of God’s spirit can be slowed and even cease, but the “spirit begotten essence” (begotten portion of the spirit in man) does not cease to exist as a human fetus would if cut-off from a continual flow of blood. Without a continual flow of God’s spirit into the begotten portion of the spirit in man, that spiritual type of a fetus simply becomes dormant with no activity and no life coming into it. This is true for someone fully (totally, 100%) cut-off from any of God’s spirit. When this occurs, the spirit in man reverts back to only having the ability to function as before begettal on a purely physical plane, with no ability to “see” or function on a spiritual plane. That spirit essence (the original spirit in man) now contains certain knowledge about God and the truth that it did not have before being begotten, but it cannot deal with that knowledge on a spiritual plane– only a physical one. That is why some people may continue in some form of observance of a seventh-day Sabbath, or tithing, and/or will not eat unclean food, etc., but they do not grasp God’s truth on a spiritual plane.

Today, we can better grasp some of these concepts because of the computer age in which we live. We have far greater ability to understand much of this more clearly now than in 1972 when God first revealed through Herbert W. Armstrong this function and truth of a “spirit (essence) in man” that is connected to the human brain.

The “spirit in man” is a spirit essence that has no life of itself. Since it is spirit in composition, it cannot be measured or seen by anything that is physical. This spirit essence gives mankind the ability for learning, memory, creativity, individual thought (thinking and reasoning), etc., that makes mankind different from the animal kingdom. Mankind was created to be a free moral agent – free to make individual choices in life. There is no such ability within the animal kingdom, as it has been “programmed” by God to instinctively react to various conditions in life and to have specific characteristics as God has created in each species.

God has miraculously designed the human brain, which is totally physical in composition, to be connected to this spirit essence so that the mind in mankind is fully unique in all His creation. God has designed and created the mind in this manner in order to accomplish an even greater creation – Elohim.

Everything about an individual is stored within and functions within the “spirit in man” that each person has in them. All that a person has ever experienced and learned (although unable to recall it all) is contained in this spirit essence. Yet, for the human mind, the “spirit in man” can only work with things within a physical world on a physical plane. There is NO spiritual knowledge, function, or insight whatsoever.

When a person dies, that specific “spirit essence” (spirit in man) is retained by God. It contains no life in it, but simply contains “everything of a person,” a kind of storage of the individual it was in. It is that same individual spirit essence that will be put back into a human body of a person who is resurrected in the second life when that life is given on the Last Great Day. The exact same person who died hundreds or thousands of years before will have life again, except they will have a new and fully healthy body and brain with the same “spirit (spirit essence) in man” placed into it that was in them at death. They will have the same thinking, the same mind, and will be the same person as before.

The Spirit Begotten “Spirit in Man”
It is within this “spirit in man” that one can be begotten of God’s holy spirit after one has been baptized, forgiven of sins, and then had hands laid upon them. It is at this time when one is able to receive the impregnation of God’s holy spirit that a “new mind” begins to develop and grow together within this spirit in man. This new portion of “spirit essence” is a component that is spiritual in nature as it is of the “holy spirit” of God. Of itself, the basic spirit in man only allows for physical interaction in life, but this “begettal spirit,” or newly added spirit essence of the holy spirit allows for spiritual interaction and fellowship, as well as spiritual insight and understanding.

This new “spiritual” component (the holy spirit) that becomes attached to the “spirit in man” has no life in itself, just as the “spirit in man” has no life in itself. Only when it is in the mind of a living individual is it able to function. But this too is unique in the way God created it to be (exist and work), as it cannot function on its own within the individual through that person’s own ability. That spiritual essence (of spiritual begettal in the spirit in man) can only function when connected to God and His Son through a continual flow of God’s holy spirit into it.

It is only by a continual flow of God’s holy spirit into the begotten spirit in man that a transformation of the mind is possible and can be actively worked upon. It is important to understand that the flow of God’s holy spirit to the begettal spirit is not always the same. This has much to do with the response of each individual (through personal choice) to God. This is affected by prayer, fasting, reading or listening to spiritual material, holy day observance, spiritual growth, fellowship, how a person is living at any moment in time, attitude, wrong thinking, sin, spiritual sluggishness or lethargy, etc.

This begettal portion of the holy spirit works to merge (to grow and develop) with the spirit in man in order to change (transform) the mind from one that only functions physically (on a physical plane) to one that functions spiritually on both a physical and spiritual plane. Yet in all this, such a mind can only function on a spiritual plane when God’s holy spirit is flowing into it. This “new mind” that is being created by God can only be developed, actually grow on a spiritual level, and actively function spiritually when connected to a good flow of God’s holy spirit into it.

If someone is totally cut-off from all flow of the holy spirit, then we should understand that there is NO function taking place on a spiritual plane and that the spirit begotten portion of the spirit in man has NO activity. It is simply 100 percent stagnant spiritually.

This varying flow of the holy spirit has everything to do with where someone is spiritually at any moment in time. This should magnify for each individual that which Christ said, “We can do nothing (spiritually) of ourselves (Jn. 15:5).” Such understanding should remove all attitudes of spiritual pride concerning how someone can take spiritual knowledge and understanding to themselves by being lifted up over others for how one thinks of (sees) themselves spiritually. This is exactly what Satan did. He became lifted up in what he believed was “his own greatness” and was not of a humble spirit, as he failed to reflect an absolute knowing that all that he had was from God. Even the Church during Laodicea (after Herbert W. Armstrong’s death) became lifted up with spiritual pride (spiritually rich and increased with goods), and it did not grasp that ALL was from God and not because of any spiritual greatness of oneself.

God’s Creation
The context of what we have been covering concerns the statement God inspired through Paul of anyone who is fully (100 percent) cut-off from God and the flow of His holy spirit into them. This statement is key to understanding the primary reason for “what is best” for any begotten individual who is “fully” disfellowshipped: “so that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus” (1 Cor. 5:5).

The reasons for disfellowshipping someone in order to protect, edify, unify, sober, and cleanse the Church are separate issues which were covered in large part before beginning to focus on this aspect of “what is best” for the actual individual who has become disfellowshipped. Even when someone must be disfellowshipped, God reveals that He still has a plan in which there remains a potential means to save such a person. This is based on His love for the one disfellowshipped. This involves “saving the spirit.” So what does this mean? It means that this is about “saving” the new portion of the begettal of God’s holy spirit within the spirit (spirit essence) in man that is not yet fully “set” (completed, finished, transformed).

Although portions of this “newer understanding” were given in recent Feast sermons, it would be good to repeat some of that and then add to, build upon it.

We know that in the beginning God created a spirit realm composed of spirit essence (spirit elements, spirit matter), but not of His holy spirit. This is just as God, in a similar fashion, later created a physical realm (the universe) composed of physical matter (physical elements). Our minds can only minimally grasp such a thing. There are places in scripture that describe some of that spirit creation and how it appeared. Then God later went on to create living spirit composed beings – angels. They were created of spirit essence (spirit elements, spirit matter), and their minds were composed of a spirit essence that gave them the ability for learning, memory, creativity, individual thought (thinking and reasoning), etc. But their minds were not composed of or connected to God’s holy spirit. God did not and does not “dwell in” angels as He does “in” those who are begotten of His holy spirit. So similar to the spirit creation of angels in a spirit realm, God created living physical life from physical matter within the physical realm. With mankind, God created within the mind a portion of spirit essence (spirit matter, spirit in man) to be connected to the brain.

It has already been mentioned concerning angels that if they choose any other way than what God has shown (revealed) to them that their mind becomes permanently “set” against God. That is simply the makeup and reality of such spirit created life. God’s entire purpose for physical created life is vastly different from spirit created life. His purpose is to provide the means whereby a “spirit (essence) in man” that is connected to a physical human brain can be changed (transformed) in a creative process that is “not yet fully set” in spirit. This is the only way Elohim can be created.

With the “spirit in man,” along with the begettal from “God’s holy spirit,” a literal creation of God begins on a spirit plane. This creation is not something that is instant, but rather, it takes much time and interaction (spiritual fellowship) between God and the begotten individual. This creation – the only one of its kind – is the development of a spirit mind that is “holy” in nature – fully of God and of His mind, His being, His word within the mind of the one begotten. This also enhances understanding of the unique creation of “one Son” as part of God’s plan and purpose to create Elohim in which the “word” (logos of God) was made flesh. There is much more about this awesome marvel (wonder) that will be magnified during the Millennium, but God has given us much already – the building blocks of it all.

(It is necessary to strive to digest what has been covered in this post thus far before continuing to build even more upon what is being given. That will follow in Part 10.)


113 thoughts on “True Fellowship Part 9

  1. Hello to all of you in the ministry,
    Laura and I wanted to pass along a few miscellaneous items to you before she left for Australia and New Zealand. The last item concerning the Feast of Tabernacles can be announced in your areas during services.
    Our love to all of you,
    Ron & Laura
    – – – – –
    Hopefully everyone (for those who have the responsibility to do so) has completed all the necessary planning for this years Passover service such as: setting a location (hall rental if required), Passover wine glasses, et cetera. If not, then please get that taken care of right away.
    – – – – –
    Marriage & Church Administration:
    Laura and I want to let all of you know (if you don’t already) about our thankfulness and happiness that Audra has married Edwin van Horne who serves as an elder in Europe. With this computer age and the Internet, it will be easy for Audra to continue serving and working for the Church, just as she has been, after she moves to Europe. Her duties will remain the same and on some occasions will still travel with Laura on some Church visits, although fewer than before.
    When it is possible for him to do so (due to his job and whether he is able to get off from work at times), Edwin will be traveling with Audra and Laura on some of those visits. Even now, Edwin will be traveling with Audra and Laura on this current trip to the Church in the Los Angeles area as well as New Zealand and Australia. The reality is that God and Jesus Christ have been working in a very large way through our family to serve Their Church. It is important to God that the Church learn from this “family” focus and service to His Church, as there is much to glean from all this, as well as to give inspiration and encouragement by what He is doing.
    Jeremy also works for the Church full time and has done so now for several years. On occasion, we have had him travel to some areas in order to represent us and our leadership, and to provide encouragement and fellowship with brethren and ministers in that capacity. Such travel by our family is simply another important means of how God is working with and molding His Church.
    All this brings up another matter of importance that I want to share with all of you in the ministry. As both Audra and Jeremy work full time for the Church, their jobs involve being in contact with many of you directly because of the work they do for us (Laura and myself), which is the government structure over all the Church. There is structure that is a matter of ordinations and there is another structure of government that, even regardless of ordination, is a matter of administration of government more directly from both Laura and myself, through them, to the rest of the ministry (as though directly from us). It is important to understand that both Jeremy and Audra are often “highly informed” as to that governing and functioning process and how it relates to many of you in the various areas you are located. Much of what they do is fully directed from us, while other aspects are not as direct, but still a matter of administration that comes from us. For that reason, I want to make certain that all of you understand that in their positions of service to both Laura and myself, they represent us when they are in contact with you. That contact may be by way of a visit to the region you are in or by direct contact with you via phone or email. That contact should be received as being directly from Laura or myself, as much of what they work to accomplish is part or our communication and service to the Church as well.
    – – – – –
    Anne Wrozek:
    Laura and I want to share with all of you how God and Christ have moved to have Anne Wrozek begin serving more in the Church. She has already been serving more by assisting Laura and Audra on some Church visits. Recently we have also asked for her help in reviewing sermons for the new speakers who have been asked to work on a split-sermon.
    Some of you are most likely not aware of the process and format we have been using for the organizing and delivery of those split-sermons, so I think it would be good to share this with all of you. In the Worldwide Church of God, some very few who gave sermonettes (10-15 minute mini-sermons that were given before the primary sermon) were sometimes asked to give a sermon (or sermons). Now, due to our small size and ability to enhance a stronger unity in what is presented to the Church in a split-sermon format, the new speakers are asked to first submit an outline of their split-sermon. Sometimes suggestions and/or corrections are made. Once this step has been completed, then the individual prerecords their split-sermon. After this, it is transcribed into a PDF file so I can read it. Laura (and sometimes one or two others) then listens to it. We then discuss the contents and give suggestions, ideas, and/or corrections that will make it a better split-sermon. Finally, those specific sections can be addressed by the speaker and edited into the written PDF file and into the prerecorded portion in order to have a completed sermon that will then be played for everyone at Church.
    We have now asked Anne Wrozek to assist in this entire process as she has a real talent for picking up on some of those areas that can be modified to make for an even better split-sermon. This is all about a teaching/training process for the new speakers, as we have no other programs in place to train new speakers.
    – – – – –
    Feast of Tabernacles (this can be announced in services in each area):
    As we do not know when the final “Day of the Lord” is (for this world), we are planning to observe another Feast of Tabernacles. This year will be one of our earliest yet for Feast information to be posted, registration to begin, and for everyone to begin making reservations. We are planning to have everything up and running by March 1st.
    This year, there will be less Feast Assistance given than in the past, so we are encouraging everyone to plan wisely financially in order to insure attendance. In addition, we want everyone to know that when applying for assistance that no one should make any reservations that require any immediate financial payment. For those who apply for assistance, you should plan on attending the nearest site to you if that is the most economical, which is usually the case. Most certainly, you should not make other financial commitments such as buying airline tickets, making advance hotel payments, car rentals that may require some portion of payment, etc. as you do not know if you will be approved for assistance anyway.
    Assistance request forms will not be sent out until after Pentecost, at which time, you will need to have estimated your potential expenses already and be prepared to have all requests sent in quickly. So please plan ahead wisely for all Feast preparations.


  2. Well ist is offically. As we were taught in PKG Audra is now an adulteress. But wait Ron will quickly change the last standing on marriage and divorce. how long after she got rid of Chris did Laura start the mating process. Now we know why Chris was disfellowshipped. So they could justify her getting married again.


  3. It’s a good thing that Audra does not live during OT times
    Lev 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour’s wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

    NT applications bring harsher penalties for adulterers

    Mar 10:12 And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.

    1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    So you have
    1) a liar and thief and false prophet in Ron
    2) gossiper and co-conspirator in Laura
    3) adulterer in Audra
    as your leaders of PKG.


  4. Well this just proves one point why Ron has been pushing the disfellowshipment series. And the inset in the last post about not judging the elders. He knows people are going to see what Audra has done.

    Well that is two out of the country. Two more to go. What will poor Laura do all alone in the big house. And with the annoucement of less assistance for the feast is another sign money is short supply. I also heard Ron needs a second pair of glasses. Poor Ron.


  5. Hello I am an ex member of pkg. Been gone since late 2012. I’ve been reading some of the posts with much interests. I think I most agree with what I read in the way that Ron believes that he is who he claims to be. With that being said I think that most members who are still physically in membership fool themselves with their own pride. Believing that they have been in fellowship with the 2 Witnesses prophesied for thousands of years. Pride comes in many forms and the very prideful thoughts I raised up in my mind were how blessed am I that God would allow me to meet his anointed prophets.
    I met many beautiful people during my time in PKG. The fellowship was like no other organization I ever attended.
    I left on my own as quietly as I could but in the end was accused of causing distention in the church. I lost Internet ability for a very long time. I was floored when it was brought to my attention that I was being accused of sending emails around the Body. Not only that but I was told almost a year after I left that I had been disfellowshipped because of these emails. Didn’t even have a computer to email anyone.
    I still have a number of those whom I care very deeply for in Pkg. I went through every email that I sent to brethren that might of caused any tensions with no real luck. I was totally alone after I left PKG and this is the first time I’ve posted any of the forbidden websites that are watched very closely by the Ministry of Pkg. Not because I am afraid just needed to get away totally from anything until I was a little more healed from the experience. Wish I could say I was totally healed but am on my way.
    Would love to talk to any of the ex pkg members. Like I said most everyone in the body of Pkg are God fearing people that are chalked full of love and generousness.
    Guess I will end by saying that it is easy to point fingers and judge those still in PKG. I just know that for the most part the majority of PKG’s membership believe that they are sacrificing for Christ sake and you got to respect that about them if not feel sorry for their misguided belief systems they uphold.


  6. Hello Hope, I left around the same time, late 2012. Your comment is eerily similar to my story in some ways.

    You are right that most of us were there with the right heart. It was a tragedy for me to walk out as well, and lose some close friendships, but the situation got so bad and so silly it had to be done.

    The fake gossip happened to others, don’t take it personally. I witnessed it, received it myself, and ashamed to say participated in it early on. My mental health got worse the longer i was in pkg. I can only imagine what kind of gossip circulated as people continued to leave. Who cares. We have to expect the congregation to keep up appearances. The fact that they do dishonesty to do so, is just consistent with the dishonest nature of the whole organization, I mean the church as it surrounds Ron is based on lies so how can we be surprised if they lie about people who left. If anything it should be comforting because it’s simply yet more proof that God isn’t in that.

    I hope you are doing very well and finding happiness and meaning in your moving forward. I too started all over again in life, but with more thankfulness and courage than I ever had before. It does take time, as you said.

    All the best!


  7. Thanks Bilbo, I find it very healing to talk to someone else who has gone through what I have basically. It took me some time to realize that the 2012 so called Christ’s return was basically came to through numerology. Playing with dates and numbers until something comes along that looks like it matches with scripture.
    Satan is wiser than we give him credit for cause the dates and numbers played with did seem like it could only be of God.
    What is most interesting in my case was I got sick and lost everything I owned. Including my computer and Internet ability. Thought it was just God testing me but in hindsight I now believe it was God saving me.
    There was one elder who was over me that always promised to keep in touch no matter what transpired because we went through so much together but he was the very one who accused me of emailing brethren when I sent an email telling him I finally was back online after a year.
    I am most sure that we provably crossed paths if you were still around PKG in late 2012 Bilbo.
    Maybe we can talk a little in the near future.
    All the best to you Bilbo. Thanks again. God be with you and yours


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