True Fellowship Part 13

Ron seems to now be on a 3-week schedule for his posting.  Probably his #2 scratchings need a lot of post-editing.

——– Ron’s posting —————————–

Not Called, But Sanctified: In the last section, it was covered how that sanctification does not mean that an unbelieving mate or children are being offered a calling from God due to their being “sanctified.”

There is a sanctification that enables one to come into God’s presence on a “physical plane,” as with ancient Israel, and there is then a sanctification that additionally requires a “calling” in order to come into a spiritual relationship with God.

This has been addressed and stated in this specific manner in order to help clarify some of the “process” of how God has worked within the environment of the Church and how some aspects of this same process will work in the future. As this subject continues to unfold, it would be good to be reminded that God does not owe anyone the begettal of His spirit. Although it is God’s will and His desire that all would “receive” His favor and means for becoming part of His Family, the reality is that this brings us back to what determines such an outcome; it is a personal choice whether one will receive it or not, when it is offered.

So when considering the condition in a family where only one mate has been drawn and called by God, there is much that can be learned about a process whereby God works with those who are able to come into the environs of the Church. Some of what we are covering would not be as clearly grasped if it had been revealed during any one of the seven eras of the Church. Instead, God is giving it now as we are in the transitional period between the completed sealing of the 144,000 and their resurrection to spirit life into Elohim at Christ’s coming. As a result, we can now more readily look back at what God has created to this point concerning the God Family. We can especially come to more perfectly see how He has worked within the Church over the past nearly 2,000 years and why He has done so in the manner He has. We are being given these things now because aspects of this same process will be at work throughout the Millennium.

Before more closely examining this, it would first be expedient to focus upon the beliefs of the Church concerning this matter of sanctification of an unbelieving mate. Due to what has previously been believed about such sanctification, it has been thought that such a person (a sanctified unbelieving mate) had the choice of a calling at any time, and we were wrong. They do not! Such thinking will and has affected the attitudes, judgments, and “expectations” exercised (in treatment and acceptance) toward such individuals. The idea that an unbelieving mate or children, due to sanctification, have the ability to “see” the truth on a spiritual plane if they would just simply choose to listen to or read it is not true, nor is such judgment toward them right or even fair.

Previous to covering this matter of sanctification of an unbelieving mate, three specific groups were categorized of those who “have not been called” (1a, b, & c). A fourth group has now been introduced who would be categorized as 1d. That group would consist of those “who have been sanctified, who are not against God.” All four groups are separate and distinct, and each must be understood for who they are when it comes to judging righteous judgment.

Under this fourth group, it is very important to also make the distinction between those “who are against God,” and those “who have been sanctified, who are not against God.” The reason for this is because it must be understood that anyone who is in the state of being “against God” can never be sanctified to come into God’s presence while in that state. This means that if only one mate has been called and is baptized into the Church, then the other unbelieving mate and any children can only be sanctified if they are not against God.

Additionally, if an unbelieving mate and/or children are sanctified and then at any time turn against God, then they are then no longer sanctified and cleansed to be in God’s presence within the environs of the Church. It needs to be emphasized that they are simply in the category of those who have “not been called” of God, “who are against God” (1c). It is important to understand that these are to be clearly seen and judged as those who are “against God,” whose group and their characteristics have already been addressed.

What has now been covered to this point concerning all four groups (1a, b, c, & d) should give far greater insight and discernment for judging those who have not been called of God.

Indeed, it is an awesome thing to understand what God is saying about those who can receive sanctification in order to be in His presence. As Hebrews 9:13-14 was covered in the previous section, God is showing that sanctification (to be in God’s presence on a physical plane) to cleanse a mate or any children is not by the sprinkling of ashes of a heifer, but by the life of God and Christ dwelling “in” a believing mate, who has been sanctified to be in God’s presence on a spiritual plane.

Affect of Sanctification
It now needs to be stated that the children of two believing parents (begotten of God through the sacrifice of Christ) are also sanctified in the same manner as when one parent is “in” God’s Church. This also means that they are not owed a calling, but that God may do so according to His will.

Indeed, a sanctified mate and sanctified children are cleansed in order to be able to come into God’s presence on a physical plane in much the same manner as ancient Israel was, but with the potential of far greater blessings. Such are able to attend Sabbath services (weekly and yearly, but never Passover) and other functions where Church members gather together. They are always welcome, if they are sanctified.

God’s purpose in training, molding, and transforming a believing mate can carry determining factors for “when” the unbelieving mate might be called. Such things are fully a matter of God’s personal calling, timing, and purpose. In addition, a sanctified mate’s and/or sanctified children’s attitude and response to God concerning what they can see through physical knowledge (as with the Israelites) can also have a bearing on God’s response and grace (with a calling) that He may choose to grant them.

That is why Paul went on to explain the importance of a called mate’s “example” in faithfully living God’s way. That example and love (agape – true giving and sacrificing love) they learn to live toward others, including the example of those in the Church, which should be doing the same, can have a strong bearing on an unbelieving (sanctified) mate’s response to God and the Church. However, the “calling” is always according to God’s purpose. In some cases, He may choose to call someone, and in other cases, not to call someone at a specific moment in time. Yet, a believing mate’s “example” and that of the Church should always be a right one, even though that may have no impact on a loved-one’s life. It is still a matter of God’s calling, and in what He may have purposed for such an individual, even as to when it is the best time to grant them salvation (a calling).

“For how do you know, Oh wife, whether you shall save your husband (as explained above concerning one’s example and resulting impact it may have)? Or how do you know, Oh husband, whether you shall save your wife” (1 Cor. 7:16)?

Every baptized parent desires that their child (or children) will receive what God offers to them in knowledge and truth (on a physical plane) of how to live life, with the hope that they will then choose to live by those things. There are far too many factors to be addressed here, in any real depth, which have strong bearing upon a child’s response or even their ability to respond to truth that is made available to them through sanctification. Their learning is primarily limited on a physical plane, except where God may grant deeper spiritual insight into some things (because of His purpose in their life). Therefore, differing circumstances such as God’s purpose, the age of a child or children at the time of a parent’s or parents’ calling, the influence of friends, an unbelieving mate’s (if applicable) attitude and response to the Church, primary inherited and learned traits, parental and Church examples, etc., determine a wide variety of responses from children.

Although the sanctification of ancient Israel, and then that of the sanctification of a mate and children, has been to grant a presence on a physical plane to come before God, there is also a big difference between the two. That difference concerns the level (depth) of knowledge that God has granted to those sanctified to Himself, His Son, and to His Church. Not only can far greater knowledge on a physical plane be gleaned, but also much understanding as well. This is the result of God’s progressive revelation of Himself and His purpose to mankind ever since the days of ancient Israel. Just the simple matter of additional Biblical history that has unfolded, as well as the addition of many books of the Bible, especially of that in the New Testament writings, has incredibly enhanced the potential for far greater knowledge and understanding.

Such vastness of knowledge and understanding given within the environs of the Church are awesomely powerful because the Church has the “truth” of such matters, whereas the world does not. It is primarily the children who have been sanctified who have an ability to be molded in such truth on a physical plane. The younger a child is able to begin having such an experience, and the longer their exposure in a positive and truthful environment is, the greater the potential will be for a child to make better decisions when they are of a more mature age; however, that does not mean they will. All of this is far beyond what the ancient Israelites had.

It would also be good at this point to mention that in recent years God has made it evident that He has given children greater insight and greater ability to grasp on a spiritual plane than in times past. This has much to do with the advantage many are now being given since they will also have opportunity to be the first generation to live on into the Millennium.

It should also be obvious that a longer, more positive exposure, combined with the willing positive response of children, has much to do with God receiving them (in order to offer a calling) once they are of a matured age to choose God’s way of life for themselves. God’s will is to work in families and to grant them (primarily the children) favor (grace) if they respond in a good way toward God and His Church, and if a parent who is called is continually faithful to God.

The 144,000
Having addressed some of the varying aspects of sanctification, it is now necessary to look back over time in order to be able to better grasp and understand God’s purpose in those whom He has been calling into the environs of the Church from its beginning. Foremost, God has been calling those whom He has chosen to teach, train, fashion, and transform into a creation of the 144,000 who are to be resurrected into His Family. They will fulfill a completed and perfected number of spirit beings who form God’s government to serve with Christ at his return.

However, not all who have been called to have a spiritual relationship with God and to become impregnated with His holy spirit over the past nearly 2,000 years have been called to that specific purpose (to be in the 144,000). Presently, the strongest evidence of this is contained in the recent history of the Church. Of the many tens of thousands “called” during Philadelphia and Laodicea, God only purposed that an extremely small remnant would be awakened spiritually following the Apostasy. Then, of that small remnant that was awakened, only a fraction was to be sealed in order to fulfill the very small remaining number that would complete the final total of the 144,000.

Incredibly, God’s purpose has always been that a vast majority (63,000) of those called during Philadelphia and Laodicea and that are still alive toward the very end of this age (shortly before Christ’s actual coming) would be awakened spiritually from the sleep that followed the Apostasy. The purpose for this is so that they would be part of the beginning foundation of the Church at the start of the Millennium (Rev. 11:13).

God also predetermined that 7,000 (ten percent of a total of 70,000) would not live into that new age, but would die and be resurrected in the final 100 years. Many of these include the ministry, other leadership, and influential individuals from those two eras. The reason for this is that many of these individuals were held to a higher accountability for their actions in the time period just preceding and following the Apostasy. These individuals are not being allowed to immediately enter a greater “promised land” (the Millennium), but will have to wait until the Great White Throne to experience it.

All of this clearly reveals that 70,000 of the approximate 96,000 baptized members at the time of the Apostasy were never called for the purpose of becoming part of the 144,000. For the most part, they had been called to be among those who would live (physical lives) on into the reigning age of Christ’s rule in order to be the starting foundation of the Millennial Church at that time. However, there was a portion of these who experienced trial and testing (especially just preceding and following the Apostasy) to reveal their response (individual free choices) in order to determine if they might be among some of those who would be “chosen” and prepared to be among the firstfruits.

This group of 63,000 comprises those who fit into the categorized group mentioned earlier as “those who have been called” (2c). These are those “who became scattered after the Apostasy, but had not been formally disfellowshipped from God’s true Church.” These have been called and “chosen” to live on into the beginning of the millennial reign of Jesus Christ.

Having addressed the “small remnant” and the 70,000 from the time of the Apostasy, the question that still remains is, “What about all of the others (approximately 26,000) who had once been part of the Worldwide Church of God?” That answer will follow after further understanding of what God is giving concerning “how and why” He has called various ones into the environs of the Church.

The first phase of God’s plan of salvation has always been to make ready His firstfruits to reign in His Kingdom with Christ, at his coming. During the first 4,000 years, God called and worked more directly and meticulously with those who would comprise some of the major portions of the structure and organization of His future ruling Family of the 144,000. In the nearly 2,000 years following this, a far greater number of people began to be called into His Church in order to fully fill and prepare the larger remaining structure of that government, which would be finished being built just before Jesus Christ would come as King of all kings within that ruling body. To accomplish this, God began drawing and calling “many” of whom “few would be chosen,” the few He would “select” to complete the 144,000.

Ever since the Church had been established on Pentecost in 31 AD, there are “many” who have been called, of which “few” became part of the 144,000. Although called, most were not meant to become part of this governing body. There are a lot of reasons why “many” have been called. The overall, predominant reason was to provide an environment in which some parts were to be good and a lot would be bad, in order to better teach, try, and test a “select group” through actual experiences in life that would work to mold and prepare them for God’s ruling Kingdom.

The mind does not become convicted and transformed by simply receiving instruction and then growing in knowledge. Knowledge given from God, along with the ability to understand it, is more firmly established in the mind because of choices and judgments one must make through personal convictions that are formed as a result of difficult experiences in life. Such experiences are designed to produce responses (whether right or wrong – a matter of free choice) that define an individual. These are experiences that require judgment and response, which cannot be simply ignored (as even that is a choice). When yielding to God’s holy spirit, this process of “actually experiencing” the knowledge and truth God has given, enhances conviction of God’s ways, and then works to indeed transform the mind.

Not An Environment of Peace
Within the environs of the Church, God created a wide varying range of environments to be experienced, in which His called “select” (those in the 144,000) could be transformed and fitted (molded) into His ruling Family. It was not to be an environment of peace and tranquility within the world, and not even within the environs of the Church. Those in God’s Church are told that they can have real peace, but that is through being in God and Christ, which comes from living in unity with God through confidence and faith in His plan and purpose being worked out in oneself. It is a “spiritual” peace of the mind one can have in their relationship, with comfort and trust in God working in them and in the Church.

However, Christ made it clear, as we have already looked at a portion of what he said, that we were not called to have peace “in the world,” and that includes not having peace in many of the relationships that have been within the environs of the Church. It is so very important to grasp the significance in what Christ stated about a great number of our relationships, as “few” have survived this portion of the process that has “worked” in their calling.

The “many” have succumbed to strong pulls from unbalanced, unsound, adversarial, and/or improper relationships that have led to their making wrong choices. This in itself is an environment within and outside the Church that can be witnessed and/or experienced that can help produce deeper conviction and transformation “in those who yield” to God working in them. Those who make wrong choices through what they witness and/or experience, no matter why those wrong choices were made, results in not being amongst the final “chosen” of those “called and chosen” by God to be in His reigning government.

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against (to not be in agreement or harmony because of the truth – in opposition due to it) his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be those of his own household (family). He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me (not worthy of a relationship with God and Christ), and he who loves a son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me” (Mat. 10:34-38).

Division, disagreement, and opposition always become manifest in close relationships once a person is called to receive God’s truth – when called into the Church. It is at such a time as this that “many” are tried and tested as to whether or not they will put God first in their life. Such division, disagreement, and opposition not only occur quickly in the beginning in close relationships in family (with those not called) and other close relationships, but in time, the exact same thing will try “many” as this also occurs in relationships within the environs of the Church itself. Too often, people have not made it clear to others that they “stand” firm in putting God first in their life. Instead, they have often been deceitful with members of the Church by making various excuses why they must limit their time with them in order to placate another. They can also become deceitful in a relationship they have with the person who is disgruntled (because of that relationship the other has with the Church) and too often they are found compromising by giving into demands, harassment, etc. Being deceitful is not of God. It is a spirit of lying.

God has given us the analogy of planting seeds and raising crops to help us better understand the necessity for the “adverse” environs of the Church to exist in order to enable the creation of spiritual growth in firstfruits. This process makes it possible to have plants that can become mature and thereby produce varying levels of yield (fruit/grain). The Parable of the Sower (Mat. 13:18-23, Mk. 4:14-20, & Lk. 8:4-15) and the Parable of the Tares (Mat. 13:24-30, 36-43) reveals much about this process. Rather than quoting here all that is stated about these two parables, a simple summarized comparison will be given to explain this process of “many” being called, but “few” who are chosen. This is all in the context of those whom God has called to potentially be among the firstfruits (the 144,000).

In the Parable of the Sower, seed is sown; some seeds fall by the wayside, some among stones, and other among areas where weeds (thorns) spring up and work to choke out the seed. This pictures the condition and effect of the world as it has been over the past 6,000 years. It is a world filled with adversity toward God, His Son, His Church, and His word. In the Millennium and the Great White Throne, these same conditions in which there is such a lack of good ground in which to plant the seed will not exist. Most of what is described as preventing growth and production is either more directly from Satan (and his demons) or is the product of what Satan has produced in the world that works directly against God’s word and spirit to produce growth.

God knows and has always known where the seed is sown. In order to be in God’s ruling government in His Kingdom (in position and placement), the 144,000 were predetermined and designed to be molded and constructed (created) in an “adverse” environment. Much of that environment is the simple result (effect) of where the seed fell, and where it fell is the result of the response – the free choice – of those who were given the opportunity of a calling. Although God knew that the result of free choice following a calling would be that only a “few” would be chosen to be in His government (the 144,000), He also provided a means to “save the spirit” of many of these in another time.

We understand that the angels and mankind were created with the ability of “free choice” by being made free moral agents. However, for the creation of a highly faithful angelic realm, God knew that for a long period of time “peace” would have to be sacrificed. From the time that “free choice” led to adversity, divisiveness, and disagreement with God, “peace” has not existed in the angelic realm (nor on earth) and will not be fully reestablished until Satan and the demons no longer are in existence. But from that time, when peace no longer reigned, until now, the angels who remained faithful to God, through all that they have witnessed millennia upon millennia, have become stronger through this time in their conviction of God’s great power, wisdom, might, and “right way” (in all His perfect ways being right).

In a similar manner, in order for the creation of a highly trained and strong government of 144,000 in God’s Kingdom, peace within the world, within families and other close relationships, and even within the environs of the Church, would not exist, but instead, much adversity. It is through the process of those who are “faithfully yielding” to the power of God’s holy spirit to work in them in this kind of adversarial environment that the creation of such a government is possible.

The Many
It is important to know that there are also “many” whom God has reserved from among the seven eras of the Church (of all who have died prior to Christ’s coming) who will be resurrected in the Great White Throne. A large portion of these were “never called” to become part of the 144,000. Yet another substantial portion of these had been called and then tried and tested to reveal their response (individual free choices) in order to determine if they might be among those who would be chosen and then prepared to be among the firstfruits. For as we understand, all who are chosen, who are of the “few” (of the many called), must first be tried and tested before being chosen. So all of these who were not called to the specific purpose of being among the firstfruits, and all of those who were called to potentially be among the firstfruits, but who were not chosen, comprise those who fell by the wayside, upon stony areas, or in areas where weeds (thorns) choked them out. All of these became those who would be witness (during the Great White Throne) of the various Church eras and of the conditions that existed for God’s Church at those times.

In a similar manner to those who will comprise the foundation of the Church at the beginning of the Millennium, there are those from the seven eras, from among the “many”, who will help comprise the beginning foundation of the Church at the beginning of the 100-year period. In all that these people have witnessed in life during the time-period they lived in, along with the knowledge they had received within the environs of the Church, they will witness and be part of a great resurrection that will (to a large degree) stir them to deep repentance. The awesome advantage of truth they had received and those things they had witnessed within the Church will work to help thrust them ahead of all others at the beginning of this Great White Throne. These will comprise that beginning foundation along with those who will continue to live on from the end of the Millennium and into that final age of salvation offered to mankind.

A very large portion of the “many” who have been called through time will be resurrected physically and awakened spiritually at the beginning of the final 100-years. There is also a sizable portion of these who had fallen by the wayside, upon stony areas, or where weeds choked them out who turned against God to the degree that they became set against Him. Such people will be in the resurrection to judgment that follows the Great White Throne.

It is this group (who became set against God) that make up “some” of the number of the 26,000 mentioned earlier that had been in the Worldwide Church of God. But an even larger portion of these (the 26,000) are from a group who are described in the Parable of the Tares.

In that parable, it shows how Satan planted seeds (tares) that were not of God’s doing (of those not called by Him), but allowed by God. Not only were those who were called by God to be tried and tested in relationships once someone began to fall by the wayside, or among stones, or weeds, but they were also tested and tried by those who were fully false members – plants of Satan. These consist of a wide variety of people of which nearly all simply left in time or were disfellowshipped (although they were never in a true fellowship with God anyway).

Those who became set against God and those who were tares comprise that number of 26,000 who had been in the Worldwide Church of God or who were pseudo-members of the organization.

Of a final note concerning the tares, it needs to be noted that they consisted of two primary groups of people. There were those who were simply deceived and influenced by Satan to feign conversion or they were of a more sinister group who were (or became) “set against” God. Those large numbers of tares that were deceived and falsely influenced will have opportunity of a calling in the Great White Throne, while those set against God will be resurrected to judgment afterward.

(Part 14 will follow.)


98 thoughts on “True Fellowship Part 13

  1. I took a trip to the mall today for the first time in a while and when I walked past Victoria’s Secret I had to bust out laughing; all I could think of is the famous picture of ‘The Two Witlesses in Belgium’ as seen on this blog- they look so much like good old Uncle Fred & Aunt Ethel… It’s all so surreal!


  2. Gordon Neisler….if Ronald can repeat lies, we can repeat the truth.

    If I remember, I think you saw “the light” as it were, after reading about his trial proceedings?

    I hope you don’t mind me asking (I don’t remember if you touched on this), but did Ron’s zero track record on any prophecy he spoke, as well as not fulfilling one ounce of prophecy himself, did any of that impact your opinion on Ron’s claims?


  3. Prophets prophesy.

    Ron made certain prophetic statements….(ie the Thunders), none of which came true, and then he shut up (for the most part) out of embarrassment I think.

    Then he started a little bit at the end of the 3 1/2 years, trying to excuse his horrid failure at dating Christ’s return. (which at this point has happened multiple times). He also tried to explain how the Great Tribulation never happened (saying it was the 2 day fast that postponed it).

    Ron has brought the death penalty on his own head multiple times over. This penalty gets executed by angels at the return of Christ.
    THE False Prophet will get tossed into a lake of fire, but he’s not the only false prophet that will experience this.


  4. Then at various points he said the Great Tribulation was upon the church, then upon demons, then upon the world, the man couldn’t make up his mind.

    It’s too embarrassing.


  5. You know, we have to get back to the two trees! There aren’t enough messages about those two trees. It’s those darned trees.

    Herbert Armstrong planted the seeds, they developed, the flowers bloomed.

    And then they produced a bunch of nuts like Weinland.


  6. I wondered if Ron was able to de-leaven his prison cell for the Days of Unleavened Bread? Or maybe being a prophet, it isn’t required? 🙂


  7. Well thank you Gordon:

    I am indeed an atheist, a real atheist. What does that mean? I do NOT say there is no God. No real atheist can say that: they cannot know for sure that there is no god(s) of any kind, in some kind of form, in some aspect of time and space. To say that they ‘know’ there is no god is the same category of B.S. as Weinland saying that God speaks to him.

    The other thing you should know about myself and other real atheists is that we have read the Bible over and over. Thus, even though I completely reject the Bible, i know for sure exactly what it says, where, and why. It is clear that I, an atheist, will NOT be in the Kingdom. That is completely fair. No worship = no Kingdom. That is the deal. I completely understand. If I was God I would not let me in either!! The Bible is clear on that. IF the Bible is true, then I absolutely must be thrown into the Lake of Fire. God would be a liar if he didn’t do it. And the same Bible verses that rightfully condemn me are the SAME verses that condemn Ronald Weinland! 🙂

    I challenge you to look through Weinland’s theology and be amazed at all the ways he and I are alike in that manner. Weinland denies Christ’s Redemption by saying you must join RON’s church or lose salvation. Ron thus becomes your Saviour!! That is clearly and completely anti-Christ. If joining RON means you are saved then JESUS’ shed blood was pointless, and unnecessary, and the Crucifixion was meaningless!! Ron preaches a denial of Redemption through Christ, I reject the Redemption… we are anti-Christ! And to make matters worse, I am NOT a criminal. I pay taxes, obey the law, don’t steal money form the government, and don’t lie on public documents like Ron has. I have also never stolen a single penny from God, nor have I ever spent tithes on BMWs. I am more righteous than Ronald Weinland, according the the Bible, in that sense…

    Can an ATHEIST who is completely destined for the Lake of Fire be MORE righteous than God’s End Time Apostle?!! You would have to be INSANE to think so. And yet I have followed more of God’s Laws BY ACCIDENT than Weinland has intentionally!! He thinks he is without sin.

    If I tripped and accidentally dropped money into a Christian charity, I would STILL have done more for the poor than Weinland has!!! 🙂

    He does not and will not repent of his obvious crimes. Thus, the Bible makes it clear that Ronald Weinland and I WILL BOTH will be “vacationing at the Burning Lake Resort and Spa.” LOL!!


  8. Martin: The statement I made was not meant to be a put down or to discourage anyone from continuing to “Repeat” the truth as one see’s it…If I have offended, please forgive. This site gives one the opportunity to present their personal views as well as facts! My observation concerning Avalokiteshvara was an honest assessment! The focus being on Ronald Weinland and being a false prophet , Who knows , whose observations will be a convincing factor for them to be able to open their eyes and release themselves from his wicked , deceptions! As for our atheist , contributor, I personally thank Mike , for him allowing, the opportunity, to convey heartfelt opinions from those with different backgrounds! As for Ron’s writings…I can hardly stand to read them! What a deliberate diversion he is seeking to hide behind! if we did not have access to all the failed predictions in writing…We might think him to be someone and consider what he says on some issues! But if one is a believer in Scripture…The Holy Spirit is our teacher! Again I did not mean to put down anyone! But like everyone else, my conviction, stands!


  9. The TRUTH is , All these suit and tie ministers that came out of The World Wide Church Of God are DEAD WRONG!
    HWA had a beginning of understanding about God’s ways, That’s it! He went beyond what he understood and created a perverted form of Government , and built a college , A college that produced people like Ron. I do not believe God was ever in any of that. He was a business man , and when a business man gets Money things will get cloudy. It’s like having too much to drink , the mind gets perverted.

    Hebrews 5:12
    For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

    A baby cannot discern between Good and evil. I guess you can say HWA created a lot of Babies . Babies who went to preschool , and came out with a lot of Pride . All trying to be like Papa.

    Every single person who calls themself a Christian is meant to follow Christ And Grow up!

    Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
    PROVE ALL THINGS hold fast that which is GOOD!
    Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your CALLING AND ELECTION SURE: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall

    But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    All HWA created , God did away with! This should be a sign . But unfortunately it’s Nap time for a lot of people!
    And when you wake up from your nap , there is a nice warm bottle of Wolf milk for you!

    Too many have put their life in the hands of deceived Clowns . Tares ! If you have noticed ,Ron cannot help himself. Everything that comes out of his mouth is a witness against him . And when the time comes , God will stop his mouth.

    The damage that these men have caused in people’s lives is truly shocking!
    And they all say in their heart ,they are delivered to do such things .
    8Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit. 9Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not; 10And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations? 11Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the LORD.

    1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

    By reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of!
    17These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.

    The warning was given ! Christ Said BEWARE of False Prophets. By their Fruits you will know them.

    Prophecy is being fulfilled . All of these suits Show Lying Signs and wonders.

    That’s what keeps people deceived , it’s all the wondrous false doctrine and signs .

    They have people saying , well maybe just maybe he is right . The truth is you all need to grow up and learn to read , and study , and show yourself approved .

    You don’t just follow blindly like a fool!

    It should be perfectly clear at this point that Ron does not follow Gods Law or the Teachings of Jesus Christ.

    12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.


  10. All you have to do is look at the “fruit of the spirit”. The members in PKG don’t have them, but think they do, due to their own arrogance and pride. Look at their lives. Are they happy in their marriages or getting divorced, are they supporting the family, or does the wife have to work to make ends meet cause they give to much to the “church”. Oh wait, Ron said it was the curse of man to have to support his family. Now he is telling them to divorce if one mate is not attending. How is that putting God first? Read how important God felt marriage and family is. Many of us that have left PKG have to pick up many pieces trying to get our lives back, well not our lives but God back into our lives. If Ron had his way no one would be following God, just following Ron.


  11. 2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    Describes Swineland.

    Note the final command, PKG.


  12. I attended my father in law memorial this last Saturday. Now, as the senior member of the family, the privilege of delivering a funeral oration fell upon me. I took the time and looked at ronnie’s guideline for funeral orations and it did not take long to dump it. I asked God for the words for this occasion and it happened. I rewrote the oration at least five times, but, the final product was right and appropriate for the occasion.

    My point is this, I want nothing from ronnie!! His guidelines, in my opinion, is rubbish. I no longer have ronnie’s guidelines in my possession and I do not want them!!!!


  13. Sorry to hear about your father-in-law, but sometimes it is for the better. Since I work at a nursing home, I see lots of illness and death. Since Gary is gone, I too have gotten rid of anything of PKG.


  14. Ron Weinland = Lying Con-Artist Piece of Shit. There’s a new name for him. I like it! It is concise, direct, truthful, and to the point. “Bizarro the Insane” is accurate but too kind in my opinion, Ex-Elder.

    For Laura, you just need to insert fat ass somewhere.

    These Weinland Freaks are the scum of the earth.

    I also noted how Ron mentions how only “some” or “one” family member can qualify for his B.S. Guess that is the one who sends money to Ron and Laurda’s PERSONAL P.O. Income Box in Cincinnati.

    That’s right people. Divorce your spouse and kick you kids to the curb if that is what it takes to keep Laura and Audra’s FAT ASSES in panties. PIGS! Ugly bitches.

    I feel so much better now after my little rant! Ha Ha! TICK-TOCK, FELON RON! Bubba has a trumpet you can blow.


  15. Elder-pkg (no longer),
    Sorry to hear about your Father-in- Law. Ron has no idea about anything but lying for money. No one needs to recycle his blathering garbage as you have experienced and figured out.


  16. Elder pkg
    So sorry to hear of your loss ! 😦
    Does it make you feel so good to cuss these crooks out, I looking to have a punching bag mad with a picture of both of those rats on it ‘, that will really make me fell good ! 🙂


  17. Elder-PKG-No Longer, Please accept my most sincerest condolences on the loss of your father-in law. I pray the Lord gives you and your family the much needed stench and endurance in order to deal with the tragic loss of your beloved family member.

    I wish only the best for you, your family, friends and loved ones during this difficult time period of your lives.

    PS, For quite some time now I too could no longer bear to read Ron’s psychotic jail house blathering he refers to as new posts of truth so I too have now become a member of the comments only readers of Mike’s blog. Best regards, Jocko.


  18. usual crap from the piece of slime that breaks up families . Time for more punishment Ronnie !!
    The man with the blue brick is coming soon !


  19. 2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    1) lovers of their own selves: Ron does not care for anybody, people go to him for marriage consoling and are thrust out as an annoyance
    2) covetous: loves expensive cars, paintings, jewelry, other peoples money, asked a widower to put up bond for him
    3) unthankful : sold a house that members help build for him
    4) unholy: Says Christ is a created being.
    5) Without natural affection: disfellowshipped his own mother
    6) false accuser: accuses people around him who don’t agree with him’
    7) incontinent (without self control): has no self control when it comes to lusting after wealth and power and things
    8) fierce : calls out death on people who don’t agree with him
    9) despisers of those that are good
    10) traitor: will turn on you on a dime if you disagree with him
    11) heady, highminded : gives himself all sorts of titles, none substantiated by any prove at all.
    12) form of godliness: talks spiritual sounding words, but is in prison for thievery.


  20. Gd:

    I had to think about the “blue brick” you mentioned. I went on the Internet and I came to the conclusion that it is a statement that has no meaning to it – am I on track with this? Blue Brick jokes are the same way, it is a joke with no meaning. It is basically designed to generate confusion within the mind. Right?

    I agree, ronnie is a joke with no meaning!!!!!


  21. I challenge any male PKGer with any cojones to challenge Ron or Laura on any point YOU KNOW IS WRONG, AND IS COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL.

    Are you afraid of them? These two thieves? These two liars?

    I TEENAGER did it, don’t you think you can do it too?


  22. Its been a while since I posted but I keep up with it.

    I heard from someone today that a women in Cincinnati got the boot today. Has anyone else heard anything. They told me her name was Christian. I am praying its true.


  23. I found out more. She did get disfellowshipped and her husband name is Jason and the mother is from Detroit. I hope her husband follows.


  24. It would be interesting to find out why she was disfellowshipped.

    I do wonder, if they were invited here, would they come and make a comment? Would they be interested?

    For me, if I was part of a church that I realized was being led by a heretic and liar and thief, I probably would do what Elder did, I would stay for a while to see if I could help others.

    Then ultimately leave. And if invited, I would comment on the reason why I left (especially if I thought the reason was based on heresies being taught).


  25. I wonder if “Chris” was researching the information here? I hope she was and that she will tell others!! The “failed” prophesies are finally raising questions. Remember that there was supposed to be five months of torment and 63 thousands former wwcog members were to return to pkg – Big Big Failure, ronnie boy!!


  26. Ron seems to be covering his tracks with new lies and shifting prophetic fulfillments to occur after Christ returns.

    This leaves him off the hook, since he won’t have to have anything to show or prove that he’s a prophet.

    Soon he will attempt to show that the trumpets occur after Christ returns as well.

    But the evidence is in. Ron has been proven false many times over, by his own mouth, as well as from objective reality (nothing happened).


  27. Oh I don’t know — there have been at least 5 months of torment of people here who read Swineland’s postings. In all that false prophecy, maybe it’s fulfilled prophecy.


  28. The five months of torment is living with a PKG member and putting up with his abusive behavior. So glad that is over with. Then the second 5 months is putting up with a man who wants everything in a divorce that wasn’t his to begin with. The third 5 months is proving it wasn’t the PKG members things to begin with. Then the forth 5 months is trying to get him to agree so we can finalize the divorce. Now if the church comes up with a fifth date for Christs return, not sure if I can deal with that. The last year has been hard enough. Maybe you should have them drink the “cool aid” so the rest of us can get some peace.


  29. Ron does not understand Hebrew nor Greek, and apparently English.

    Rev 11:13 And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell; and there were killed in the earthquake seven thousand persons: and the rest were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven

    The 70,000 teaching that he espouses is from an incorrect reading of Rev 11:13.

    Ron cannot understand plain English, and should not be teaching anybody anything under the sun.

    Verse 13 does NOT say that there were 70,000 persons where 10 percent die. It says that 10 percent OF THE CITY FELL.

    When you have an earthquake SOME BUILDINGS COLLAPSE AND FALL TO THE GROUND. In this case 10 percent of the buildings in this earthquake collapsed to the ground. And out of this earthquake 7000 people died.

    Ron’s magic math where 63000 run to become PKGers: DIDN’T HAPPEN.
    Ron’s magic math where 7000 dies: DIDN’T HAPPEN.


  30. It’s official.

    Ref.: “Godly Courage”, today’s split sermon by Jim Jamieson (who’s he???), page 7 of the PDF:-
    “One of, you know, God’s prophets sitting falsely accused in prison…..”

    Words fail me…..


  31. “Look at the two witnesses, God’s two prophets at this time, just not only what they’ve gone through
    since the Apostasy and how God built courage in them and courage to, you know…”No, I’m not here for a
    paycheck. I’m here to obey God,” and to walk away from that, and beginning this, starting this end-time
    work. Look at where we’re at right now. One of, you know, God’s prophets sitting falsely accused in
    prison, and then his wife, the prophet of God is, you know, out there spearheading this Church and
    carrying it on and doing the administration and being able to get up in front of congregations as she
    visits and update all of us and keep us updated on Ron and whatnot. And you know, just the courage
    that’s there with both of them. ”

    Clearly nobody at PKG reads there bibles. They take Ron and Laura at their word, and that’s it.

    Having a woman at the pulpit, and with authority IS A HERESY.
    There are many godly and virtuous women in the bible, in the NT dispensation, women are not allowed positions of authority in the church.

    PKGers have no problem with this heresy (they accepted many others).

    The bible is also explicit, and says that the two witnesses are men. After pointing this out to a PKGer, he stated that the verse could be translated “children” (it can not), another decided this passage didn’t refer to the two witnesses (even though Rev 11 paraphrases this passage).


  32. “One of, you know, God’s prophets sitting falsely accused in prison…..”

    Let’s take this comment as true.

    Ron is God’s prophet.
    He is wrongfully imprisoned.
    Ron has been harmed, he is in jail.
    Laura has been harmed, her husband is in jail.
    Thus the original statement CAN NOT BE TRUE.


  33. I personally believe that Ronald Weinland KNOWS THAT HE IS FALSE.

    But in order to continue getting the “paycheck”, he must continue with his lie.

    He is in it for the paycheck, if he weren’t, WHY DOES HE DRAW A SALARY WHILE SITTING IN JAIL???

    No, Ron can not let go of the money.


  34. “”No, I’m not here for a paycheck. I’m here to obey God,” and to walk away from that”

    This statement is a complete and utter lie. Ron draws a salary while in jail.


  35. “Falsely accused” – another lie. If Ron was falsely accused he could sue for MILLIONS and easily win. The very fact he does not, and that his lawyers LOST their post sentencing appeal is PROOF this is a complete and utter intentional LIE by the PKG “ministry.” Yeah, their lives have been so “tough.” It must be hard to drive a BMW around that you didn’t have to pay for…

    How is lying to the IRS obeying God?


  36. Avo
    That’s what I Tell mom the same point you made, then I say let me show you the court transcript , mom I don’t want to see it , randy mom get your head out of the sand! That’s what she told me when I told her Ron was full of shit and nothing going to happen. Like I said I’m not very smart but I could see through that asshole he didn’t get any of my money people who needed it did ! Like my buddy avo he sold his vintage Harley sold and gave the proceeds to very needy that’s a real man !!!!!


  37. I have family members in rons cult and I am just wondering, what happens when one member leaves the church? Can the other members have contact with the one that left?


  38. Sarah,

    That is a good question. It is really a family matter. I left pkg and my wife of thirty years is still in pkg. Our marriage is still good and has not changed. I guess it all depends on your family and how they want to respond.


  39. Sarah, my mum left PKG before me, I was terrified they were going to tell me I couldn’t have contact with her, but they didn’t. Unless it really started to cause an issue. My mum was wise enough to know there was nothing she could say to convince me to leave, and I never broched the topic with her (as I believed she wasn’t actually called). Luckily I finally ended up leaving in Jan 2009. Hope your family members leave soon!


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