More on Prophecy

Five weeks after the last post by the convicted felon and False Prophet Ronald Weinland, here’s another series of drivel.  It includes gems such as “Many prophecies are never even revealed until after they have been fulfilled.”  Replace “Many” with “All”… let’s just restate.  “No prophecies are revealed to God’s most formidable prophet Ronald Weinland — after something happens he twists scripture to make it fit.”

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This is a follow-up to the last post concerning the subject of prophecy. God is now beginning to give much more insight and understanding into this subject. It will take time to fully digest what is being revealed, especially in that which concerns the main purpose for why God is revealing these things now.

The best way to approach this is to build upon all that God is giving, a little at a time, and by doing so, we can construct a better foundation on which to build. We are living in exciting times, although they are very trying times as well. Yet it is within such an environment that we have been able to make some of the greatest spiritual growth, especially in the area of living by faith.

Herbert W. Armstrong would often refer to the fact that a third of the Bible is prophecy and that ninety percent of that concerns the end-time. It is rather fascinating when you take that another step further. Since the time of the Apostasy, we have come to see that a large amount of that ninety percent concerns the Church.

The first five seals of Revelation are solely about the Church. That is incredible, and the remnant has lived it. Those first five seals include much of the prophecy written about things the Church has experienced, including that which concerns the last two eras. We also see that even when the other seals were opened, the Church and God’s servants are still at the forefront of all that is mentioned.

We now understand that many of Christ’s prophecies, as well as many in the Old Testament have been about the Church. Much of the Book of Ezekiel is far more about the Church than it is about ancient Israel, yet there is also a duality that runs throughout that book that applies to modern physical Israel, as well as spiritual Israel—the Church.

Prophecy actually reveals the power and glory of God to fulfill His word, but it also reveals much about Him. We will be able to come to see that more clearly the further we go into this end-time and in the things that will be given to us over the next several months.

It was stated in the last post, “God has many ways to fulfill prophecy.” Prophecy was not recorded so that people could study it and then come to understand what it is saying. It wasn’t given so that mankind could try to figure it out. It doesn’t work that way. God has shown the Church that the only way a prophecy can become understood is if God reveals it through His prophets, or sometimes, even to apostles. This is simply the way God chooses to work with mankind and also His Church.

For many, there is something unique about prophecy that seems to spark great curiosity, along with a strong desire to know what God has written. It can be a very natural thing to want to know what is recorded that is prophetic, but it can also be spiritually unhealthy if one pursues such a thing with too much persistence or if one begins drawing their own conclusions. A person needs to use wisdom when dealing with things concerning prophecy. Wisdom cries out that there is no point whatsoever to pursue meaning that has not yet been revealed.

When God reveals the meaning of specific prophecy then it is good to strive to learn and understand the meaning that has been given, but not to go beyond that. This would be similar in seeking to grasp and better understand a new truth when it is given, but it is not wise to go beyond that to come up with new truth on our own.

In all candor, the Church has not necessarily handled this well in times past, but instead, has tended to delve into much speculation. A little speculation can then become more widespread and can begin to be taken as the truth. So we do need to exercise wisdom when dealing with what is only in God’s control to reveal when He so chooses.

These things are being stated because the Church is going to begin being given much more knowledge and understanding of end-time prophetic events and how God uses prophecy. This post and perhaps some that are coming will begin to give some basic building blocks that will help establish an ability to far more easily grasp that which God is now giving to His Church. Yet it will come in its time, when God determines it, and that will not happen right away. It will take several months before we work through this process. The timing is, as it always is—in God’s timing.

How It Is Revealed
Prophecy is one of those things that people often wrestle with as they try to work out what it means, how it will become fulfilled, or with whom it is about. Often, something stated about prophecy is taken by people to mean that it cannot change in any fashion or must happen in only one specific way. That is not true. God has many ways in which He can fulfill His own word, and again, the only way to know what any prophecy means, or is saying, is by what God reveals through His own prophets.

Although I find prophecy exciting, over time I have learned that unless it is God’s time to reveal something, I simply will not be able to know it. So I haven’t worried nor focused much at all on areas of prophecy that God simply has not drawn me to or is revealing. I have learned that in His time, if it is needful, He will give what is needed. So in many areas, I simply stay away because it is futile to delve into them unless God just gives it. Just because I am a prophet does not mean I understand prophecies. I can only know those prophecies that God gives to me to know, and absolutely no more.

Many prophecies are never even revealed until after they have been fulfilled. In this manner, God is glorified when we are later shown what He had written so long ago, and then how He brought it to pass. This is how many of the prophecies concerning Christ were revealed. The disciples came to see them later, after they had already been fulfilled. They did not know at the time, unless Christ specifically told them.

When the Church experienced the Apostasy, all that the Church had known and all that was taught, was that it was coming. We knew it was going to happen in the end-time, but we did not have a clue what it meant and how really destructive it would be. We didn’t have the slightest inkling of what this would mean for the Church. No one remotely conceived of the scattering and decimation it would bring upon the Church. Then once it happened, how many recognized it for what it was? Nobody! Absolutely nobody! The scattered body to this day still will not acknowledge that what the Church experienced was that prophesied Apostasy. Their leaders have not told them because they cannot “see” it.

The Church that was scattered did not grasp nor ever acknowledge what had been prophesied about Laodicea, that the Church at the end-time would be fully spewed out of God’s mouth and that the Church would be separated from Him spiritually. We only came to know that later, as God revealed to us what had happened to all.

Even after nearly 150,000 people experienced this Apostasy, how many understood that the stones of the temple Christ spoke of in Matthew 24 in which not one was left on another had now been fulfilled? The Church was shaken throughout and all were cast down, but they did not know this had been fulfilled. Who proclaimed the man of sin, the son of perdition, had been revealed? No one! Who knew that Matthew 25 was a prophecy that pertained to all the Church and that all (all ten virgins) would be caught spiritually asleep? No one! Why? There were no prophets.

Concerning the first five seals, who knew these were about the Church and not the world? No one until God later revealed it to His Church! These things simply go to show that much of prophecy is not really fully understood until it has already happened, and then God reveals what it is that He fulfilled. Even after many things are fulfilled, it is not obvious to others. It is still not understood until God reveals it, and does so through His prophets.

When God has recorded prophecy in scripture, He has recorded things that He will bring to pass. How He does so is not always set. There is not one way for doing it, although many believe otherwise.

Some Are Set and Others Can Change
There are some things written in prophecy that are set and cannot be changed, and there are other things that are not set and can change.

During Noah’s day, God gave people 100 years in which they could choose to listen to Him if they wanted to do so. God already knew their minds had become so corrupted that no one would listen, yet they did have the choice. They chose not to listen. God told Noah that he was going to bring a great flood upon the earth because of the evil of mankind, and Noah told this to others. This prophecy God gave through Noah was set and the flood was going to happen. Since God already knew their minds had become so corrupted that they would not listen, this prophecy was set and it could not be changed. It became a matter of a set judgment from God.

All the prophecies concerning Jesus Christ were set and God fulfilled them in explicit detail, without any change or variation.

Prophecy concerning the seven revivals of Europe is set and the fact that ten nations will emerge out of the seventh revival is set and cannot be changed. But who those ten nations are have not yet been set, except for one, and that is Germany.

The prophecy concerning WWIII is set, and the extent of the destruction that will be caused by mankind is set. God is going to allow mankind to use the weapons it has made so that people will have to come to acknowledge that if He did not intervene mankind would destroy itself. Mankind must come to see the extent of the destruction that has come as a result of his own ways. Over 2.3 billion people will die as a result. That is set, and if God did not intervene when He did, nothing would be left alive. The level of this destruction covered by the Sixth Trumpet prophecy will not change.

The Seven Trumpets of Revelation are set, and the United States of America will collapse as a result of the first four trumpet prophecies. That will not change. The extent of the destruction from these can change, and now may even become worse, yet this can all change also. This is an example of where one of the greatest factors for change can occur, and that is fully dependent upon who and how many will listen to God and then begin to change. If that occurs, there is great room for change within a prophecy.

There is more that will come out later about much of this, but these are some of the beginning building blocks for being able to come to greater understanding of how God works within the structure He has established through what He has had recorded in prophecy and has inspired to be written about it in these end-times.

Everyone is familiar with Jonah who was a prophet of God, whom God had sent to Nineveh with a prophetic message that within a specific period of time He was going to completely destroy them because of their evil. That great city-state listened and began to repent. The king had sent out a decree that all people and animals should not eat or drink, but that they should fast before God, and that they should turn from their evil way and the violence in their hands.

The king concluded by saying, “Who can know if perhaps God will turn from His fierce anger so that we do not perish?”

If people will begin to listen to God, and to turn from their evil ways, then God’s will above all things, is that specific prophecy directed against them can be changed. If it is known that there is a “great potential” to bring people to listen to God and repent, then God may well alter parts of prophecy to allow for change.

There is a basic structure that God has given for the fulfillment of prophetic events. God will bring that to pass, similar to following a blueprint in the construction of a building. The primary structure that is to be built can be set, while yet allowing for many other details that can be changed within it. Most all of that allowance is directly connected to whether people will listen to God or not. Obviously, mankind’s track record for listening is quite poor, but even in this, if there is a means whereby people can be moved to listen and repent, then God will pursue that if it is possible. He is a God of mercy.

The example of Nineveh is a good one when looking at this very thing. God’s purpose all along was to show mercy and not to destroy Nineveh. Yet the evil had become so great that God would have destroyed them if they had not responded. God knew that there was potential to turn Nineveh from their violent and evil ways. How God worked with Nineveh to deliver to them the prophecy about their destruction is what stirred them to respond so that they actually were moved to believe what Jonah told them.

You know what the record of mankind is like concerning whether or not they will listen to God. It has been quite dismal. During more than 50 years of Herbert W. Armstrong warning mankind, no one listened and began to make changes except those whom God specifically called to become part of His Church. Many world leaders liked him and heard what he had to say, but they didn’t listen to God. God has clearly revealed the bull-headedness of mankind, which resists and refuses to listen to Him. Only at a time when mankind brings great destruction upon itself, or when God intervenes to chasten mankind, will it show signs of a willingness to listen to Him. However, even then, many simply will not, no matter how bad things get.

The basic structure given in the prophecies about this end-time have a detailed outline describing them. There are Seven Seals, and at the opening of the Sixth Seal, the First Thunder of the Seven Thunders sounded. The Seventh Seal is divided into Seven Trumpets, and then the Seventh Trumpet is divided into the Seven Last Plagues.

This is a very specific structure that God gave for a final countdown of end-time events that would lead to His Son returning as King of kings. Although this is a very strongly structured outline of prophetic events for the end-time, some of the details to occur within this structure have changed and they may change a few times more the closer we are to Christ actually standing once again on the Mount of Olives.

A Rapidly Changing World
There is one very important area that God is now revealing where great change can occur, and it is in those things that will be fulfilled concerning the Fifth Trumpet. The Church has already experienced some of the fulfillment that was spiritual in nature that was revealed to be part of this trumpet sounding. However, there is much change that can now occur in how and what is fulfilled in the remaining details of this trumpet. God is now working to give many more greater “potential” to now be saved through this period in order to live on into the Millennium. Some of this involves things that are much like what happened to Nineveh and how they were prepared to listen to God’s prophecy against them.

However, even though God works to give mankind greater ability to become motivated to listen, through unique means geared to humble them so that they might start turning from their evil ways, that does not mean that they will so. People always have free choice, and as long as they do, the outcome of things cannot be fully known.

A lot has changed in this world since 2008. Mostly, the world has become more corrupted. During this period of the past seven years, the United States has accelerated its corruption the most, and at an alarming pace. But beyond this, its pride has accelerated even more. This has had a great impact on the way prophecy will now be fulfilled against it, as compared to what would have happened in the 3½ years before Pentecost of 2012.

It is coming, but for now, it is important to know that through the first half of 2008, God was moving forward with His plan to have Christ return on Pentecost of 2012. What happened and why is an awesomely inspiring story about God’s greatness and His power to fulfill His prophetic word. By mid-2008, God made a judgment to alter certain prophetic details within the overall structure of prophecy concerning when His Son would become established as King of kings. God’s prophecies are not limited nor constrained by time nor are they closed to matters pertaining to mercy.

As a result of how rapidly the United States has become so much more deeply corrupted and filling in pride over seven years, the attitude of other nations toward it has also accelerated in such a fashion that details concerning prophetic events that would have been fulfilled to humble it and overthrow it have been changing. There is actually far, far greater potential for other nations to now listen and repent compared to that of the United States.

All that is coming and will be allowed to happen during great tribulation on this earth is about humbling the world to a point that when Jesus Christ once again stands upon the Mount of Olives they will be ready to listen.

All that was going to transpire before Pentecost of 2012 was a direct result of more specific judgment that had come upon the world, and specifically the United States above all others. That which is transpiring now is a matter of God working with the world in a different manner than He was before 2012, when an execution of judgment was simply going to be poured out. Now, similar in purpose of design in what God did with Nineveh, He is now working to provide a far greater potential for many more people throughout the world to become motivated to truly listen to Him.

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182 thoughts on “More on Prophecy

  1. Here is Ron’s entire Outreach plan:

    Reach out to his kids, give them fake spiritual titles such as prophet, and let them figure out how to reach to new members. Their trips to the few remaining churches are their entire outreach program at the moment. Keeping th eremaining sheep un the pen while prepping their kids as the new shepherds preparing to lead the next generation to the lake of Fire. Keep in mind they are called the P.K.G: “Preparing For The Kingdom of God”… not their true name, SMWBB… Stealing Money From Widows To Buy BMWS.

    Outreach? LOL.

    Theft is a kind of outreach I guess…

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  2. The Reader’s Digest website is here.

    Years back, it declared bankruptcy. Apparently, it survived, but it has transformed substantially. A lot of it seems to be online. It is not particularly effective for advertising and if I were a betting man, I’d bet that the subscriber number is much lower than 50 years ago.

    Let’s face it, Weinland is in it purely for the money. He has nothing to offer. Nothing. But he wants your money.

    I would venture to say that it is the same with all the Armstrongist leaders: The behavior has been quite consistent with that hypothesis.

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  3. If I may be so bold to say so… but this new layout for the site disrupts the flow of the conversations, and makes commenting feel disconnected from what is above it, which you have to scroll to. The old layout showed a few comments in context, laid out horizontally, which was perfect for creating conversations. This new layout feels like it discourages that, and I would bet that people will show up less frequently due to the disjointed feeling this creates. The old format was old, yes, but perfect for conversation. This feels like it kills it.

    Our connectedness is what made us effective against Weinland’s lies. This new format, to me at least, kills that connectivity.

    Just my two cents…

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    1. I appreciate your comments on the new layout. A change was somewhat forced on me, the template I had been using was 6 years old and not compatible with the new versions of WordPress.

      My impression is that the new template devotes too much column width to the side bar content and restricts the width for the editorial comment; the horizontal compression resulting in a vertical stretch. Is that what you’re referring to?

      I went back to the old template, maybe I’ve found a setting that will fix the issue. Might be issues in some browsers and not others. If you have a problem, please send an email describing the issue and let me know which browser you’re using.

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  4. The template you are using right now (as of this post) works fine and is also newer. I like the blue banner. This keeps the conversation horizontal in the layout so I can read my own and others’ posts in context.

    Whatever this is, I like it. It “feels” good. The vertical stretch, like you said, “restricted” the editorial content by making it too narrow. The horizontal settng of this template fills the entire screen with more previously posted comments.

    This one we are on right now is good.

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  5. AND speaking of Ronald Weinland…

    He has porphesied that the Tribulation start sin November. This would include the Asian Horde, a million man army out of China to start rampaging across the world.

    Only problem is HINA JUST ANNOUNCED IT IS CUTTING 300,000 TROOPS! It doesn’t have the troops to rampage…

    LOL! And once again Weinland shows how much of a liar and false prophet he himself admitted he would be if nothing happened in 2009!!

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  6. Ronald Weinland a man who was lifted up by his own understanding of things . Ronald Weinland Followed a Man who was lifted up by His own understanding , a very rich man with a jet . They follow the wrong kind of Government a pyramid system that is not taught in scripture and God says he hates it! God also says if you follow a man you are under a curse ! (jer 17:5) . These amazing ministers just love to sit up at the front of the room with their suit and tie and links on , and the poor sheep just love to have it so ! . Matthew 23:6)
    They give dramatic titles to their sermon and people are filled with excitement and Wonder every time a carrot is dangled in front of them So pathetic ! Religion and Government politics , people just following man whether they understand it or not . God says the man who goes to the prophet for understanding will be punished along with the prophet (Ezekiel 14:6-10)

    Ron, his family and all those that follow him Live a Lie . They are led to the slaughter by the false hope in what a Proven false prophet has said (Ezekiel 13:22) . Every time this man puts out a post I am shocked ! He is a snake ! He speaks like a snake and he always had a grin on his face like a snake ! I regret not telling him these things right into his snake eyes . There is no hope for you Ron , you are going to die in your sins .

    Repent!
    Jer 25:34-37

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  7. Enough, the WWCG had radio, television, booklets and the Plain Truth magazine to attract people. That and the beautiful campuses and auditorium in Pasadena. Herbert went all over the world spreading his message. Ron is small potatoes to HWA. Ron and the splinters count on the work HWA did. Ron rarely attracted any new members and many of them left after a short stay. He finally wrote his books and attracted a few, many of whom have already left. Ron is now easily found out to be a crack pot. His own words, and blogs like this, expose him for what he is. He is a small man who thinks much of himself, and has a few people he has fooled into going along with him. He will not answer questions and they don’t ask any. A match made in heaven. ( or somewhere else) Anyone with a differing opinion or a question he refuses to answer is given the boot, all in the name of “family harmony”. To answer your question, the only “outreach ” Ron has is to reach into your pocket so he can keep his family in the lifestyle they are accustomed to.

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  8. Now Ron is Jonah. In the belly of the prison for 3 years. NOW he can bring Gods message to men. He just never quits. He has been Paul, John, Moses and a few others. He just makes it up as he goes along. It’s fascinating to see what malarkey he will come up with next.

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  9. Ozy,

    I agree with all that you has stated. This false prophet weinland is the epitome of a loony toon to the nth degree!!

    Even fools understand that you can only lie and deceive for a period of time and then a day of reckoning will arrive. How is this false prophet weinland going to explain that the 63,000 are nowhere in sight, the two false witnesses are to begin their witness to the global community on Nov 7th, and so forth.

    It is going to be interesting to see if this false prophet weinland has the courage to face the general public who know what he is and that it will be effortless to prove this false prophet weinland is nothing more than an babbling delusional fool!

    I wonder if this false prophet weinland will start with the death curses again?

    tic toc tic toc to crash and burn false prophet weinland Nov 2015

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  10. How any PKGer remains sane is beyond me. All I have to do is read a paragraph or two and my mind starts to go numb. This guy should have gone into advertising. He writes/says a lot without really saying anything. Yahweh’s word on the other hand, says only a few words but within those words, there is much said. Not so with windland. He, like all false prophets, go on and on, until the listener goes zombie, or stops the trash flowing in, by stopping the read. I certainly feel sorry for his cellmate. I could just imagine the mental torture that he must be enduring by having to listen to this ass.

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  11. Guaranteed Ron doesn’t talk about his fake religion with the other inmates. He is a criminal. Minimal security is just an inconvenient holiday for Ron. He gets to not have to give sermons for a couple of years while his wife does all the dirty work. So he is basically on a boring vacation. If he did talk about his ministry, it would make no difference to the inmates because they are all in their for pretty much the same thing.

    Ron is probably getting advice on how to run his scam better when he gets out.

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  12. The Gossipping money whore called again today what’s she up to now , money , money , money , and gossip !!!!! Mom did not go to church still sick !

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  13. Randy, sorry your mom is sick. Take good care of her, and don’t let her work too hard. LOL I hope she is better soon. Lots of love, Crystal

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  14. Two months till the end of the world.

    A person who believed that would be shouting it on the roof tops.

    For Ron, it’s just business as usual. Nothing to get worked up about.

    The 70K prophecy is dead in the water. Nobody seems to be paying attention. Ron is already trying to weasel out of the Great Tribulation start in November with some “potentials” horse manure baloney (see the end of current article from false prophet Ronald Weinland).

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  15. Interesting enough Martin, you would think that this urgency would be reflected in the titles of the weekly sermons from Johnny and Wayne, and in the content thereof.

    Nope! I’m seeing no such thing from either of them (I skim through the PDF’s from time to time), and I don’t see it. Hmmm, you have to wonder how much they believe it as well.

    Randy, I do hope your mother gets better! I may have met your mother a time or two at the Feast. She would remember me as I’m hard to miss seeing and hearing. 🙂 You tell her I said hi from Bill, and hope she gets better soon!

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  16. Yes Martin , Ron says “it will take time” ” a little at a time” etc. Already getting his back peddling bike in tip top shape for the fall.

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  17. Y’know, I wonder sometimes if the PKG’s fascination with Ron is age/death related….

    It is natural to be afraid of the process of dying. We worry whether we will be in pain or not, if it will break us financially, if we will “lose” everything, what if we are wrong about our religious choice(s), and so on. Also, the thought of missing out on the milestones of our partner’s/children’s lives and so on. I’ll bet many who are staying with Ron stay because they think when Jesus returns they will be instantly changed in to the mega-spiritual being Ron has lied to them about their becoming. I’ll bet many of them are staying because they don;t want to die like the rest of all humanity, they want a free pass from nature. Ron offers them the (false) chance to not only live forever, but never have to actually die before that happens. If one is 85 and was weak enough to follow a liar/criminal like Ron, the chance to “avoid” death must play some role. They are probably all GLAD Ron’s prophecies are false, because if they were true, the world will become a scary place where they might die (if they don’t tithe enough to Ron), and they don’t want that to happen… they want their Kingdom without dying or fear, They would much rather live on their knees than die on their feet.

    This is something true Christians and true atheists have in common. Atheists welcome the opportunity to die on their feet… meaning go to their grave not being polluted by religion, and true Christians are willing to die for what they believe. Both might be afraid, but willing. That is courage. The PKG want to live on their knees cowering behind Ron, because they don’t want to be human. They want to be above the laws of God and nature, and will throw away their birthright to let someone else do their living for them.

    IF (and I do mean IF) the Bible is true, true atheists and true Christians will stand before god unafraid… the PKG will continue to be afraid… they gave away their birthright to Ron and they will cower before god when they have to explain why they threw the Gospel away to follow an ant–Christ.

    …all because they didn’t want to die…

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  18. Randy, Even though I haven’t been posting much lately I do keep up with the antics of the mad man and his organization as well as other news here on Mike’s blog. I’m am absolutely certain you mom is in all of our thoughts and prayers [Well maybe not Avalo’s with the prayer part of the equation) but Avalo’s wife is more than making up for it with her Zen Buddhist friends and relative’s endless efforts within the entire Vietnamese community of Toronto.

    As for me I too wish your mom a speedy recovery and I hope she begins to feel better with each passing day. Please don’t forget there are plenty of fish left to be caught this time of year and nobody wants you and your mom to miss out on all that quality mother and son time.

    Who knows, perhaps in the near future your mom will feel well enough to go fishing with you or take a spin on the back of one of your Harley’s. Please don forget we have a lot of riding time and fishing weather left this year in the northern states of the USA and southern Canada before Old Man Winter hit’s us with a ton of show like he did last year.

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  19. Good analysis, Avo. And yet, death would seem to be the only positive avenue through which spiritual enlightenment can come.

    When I speak of spiritual enlightenment, I mean the real thing, not the embracing or practicing of a set of rituals by sheer will power, or the joining of the right group. The problem with gurus, be they ACOG leaders, philosophers, logicians, or new age teachers is that they always seem to add the caveat that “And, by the way, your embracement of my understandings and teachings puts me in charge of your life and finances for the rest of your life”. This puts humans in a position of unquestioningly surrendering to a man or a woman who has successfully invoked the substitution axiom “things being equal are the same” meaning that to obey and follow him or her is to follow God. Sadly, the followers then parrot the Armstrong cliche that, “Oh, we don’t follow a man! We obey God!” You see that all the time on forums and blogs.

    Hypothetically speaking, spiritual enlightenment would be similar to what happens to some who have near death experiences, where transcendant knowledge and consciousness are imparted. I say hypothetically, because I have never personally experienced an NDE, and only know what I have read. From a Biblical standpoint, it would probably be like being Lazarus. This type of enlightenment would be labeled as “bogus” in an ACOG because it would place one above “God’s ministers” who had not experienced anything even remotely similar. In their efforts to preserve the validity of their own philosophy, they would probably even label such an experience as being demonism. Ritual does not bring spiritual enlightenment. Neither does the secret insider gnosticism of cults. All that those produce are self-righteousness, and elitism. And, of course, there is often an adrenalin rush that goes along with those very limiting, very human feelings. But, that is not spiritual enlightenment, it’s a #2 or #3 fake on the scale of 10, just enough to make people fear having it taken away.

    BB

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  20. Here is another illusion: the concept of threshold. To understand how this works, let’s look at something most of us have experienced in everyday life: the insurance claim.

    Suppose there is a windstorm in your area, one that blows a few tiles from your roof. Because there was not sufficient damage, for you personally, out of pocket expenses for replacing a few tiles will not meet the threshold of your deductable, therefore, homeowners insurance coverage will not kick in. You know that there are greater resources available to you, as evidenced by the fact that there even is such a thing as a deductable. However, your experience is on such a level that you just can’t reach these greater resources. In fact, it is entirely possible, if your deductable is high enough and cumulative damages low enough, that throughout your lifetime, you will be responsible for the personal damages you suffer, and the greater resources will never kick in.

    The same is true in PKG, or any other of the Armstrong cults. Somehow there are a series of minor, shaded or contrived occurrences, made to look as if they indicate that greater resources are available, but somehow, members can never reach them. The “deductables” are such things as sabbath keeping, tithing, or events spun to look like fulfilled prophecy, but the greater resources of spiritual enlightenment always seem to be withheld. You can’t ever get beyond the threshold! In fact, the gurus promising the resources have also given themselves the power to “cancel” your policy. If they were just honest, they would tell you that spiritual enlightenment (reference caterpillar-butterfly, or seed-flower) can only come through death. Instead, they try to sell you something which never quite meets the threshold, in an effort to take control over your life. You “need” them, and must keep paying your premiums, because without them you cannot experience a personal relationship with members of the deity. At least, that’s what they want you to believe.

    BB

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  21. God changed his mind again and got rid of extra baggage in the ministry. Why would God ordain all those elders just to later get rid of them. Shows how the numbers are continuing to drop since they don’t have the need for all of them anymore. What are those poor 63000 going to do with out them.

    Hi,
    This is a current list of those who are in the ministry from associate elders through sr. evangelists. We are sending this to everyone since there has been another round of nearly thirty more being removed/retired from the ministry. We want to remove any confusion as to who is actually serving in the various areas and in what capacity.
    Most all who have been retired/removed from the ministry are the result of health issues and/or the normal course of some simply getting older and who have no need to be burdened with the kind of work that will be required within the next few years. A very few are being removed because there is simply no need in some areas to continue to sustain a ministry. Laura and I are very thankful to all who have served and supported the Church and ourselves as they have. We have not included Laura, Audra, or myself in this list, as that certainly is not changing.
    Sr. Evangelists: J. Harrell, United States—W. Matthews, Australia
    Evangelists: W. Henderson, Netherlands
    Pastor: M. Harrell, United States
    Sr. Elders: G. Blake, New Zealand—B. Bucheit, Cincinnati—P. Dalrymple, Cincinnati—S. Dalrymple, Cincinnati—D. Giles, Georgia—J. Jamieson, Idaho—C. Matthews—Australia, J. Shockey & S. Shockey, Cincinnati—J. Weinland, EU
    Elders: G. Abraham, Georgia—P. Bruner, Missouri—J. Carlisle, Texas—D. Carr, Oregon—G. Chipps, Michigan—J. Coleman, Cincinnati—D. & S. Conley, Virginia—C. Czech, Washington—R. Dryden, Minnesota—L. Eckhardt, Illinois—J. Edwards, Arizona—G. Gagas, Texas—M. Garratt, Australia—P. Giles, Georgia—J. Habel, Cincinnati—C. van Delft Henderson, Netherlands—A. Jaskolski, Ohio—P. Johnson, Cincinnati—M. Knopp, Cincinnati—D. & T. Luksich, New Mexico—D. Newell, Florida—L. Peña, Texas—P. Polatsidis, Australia—C. Rosenberger, Cincinnati—N. Urquhart, Australia—E. van Horne, Netherlands—A. Volle, Cincinnati—T. Volle, Cincinnati—E. Wiesman, Canada—L. Williams, Mississippi—M. Williams, Washington—K. Wilson, Tennessee—P. White, United Kingdom—D. Wobbe, Missouri—A. Yvorra, United Kingdom
    Associate Elders: J. Baillie, Australia—B. Button, New Hampshire—I. Costa, Netherlands—S. Czech, Washington—K. Garrett, Australia—J. Haugen, Washington—Z. Illitch, Australia—D. Lindemann, Canada—D. Madison, Pennsylvania—S. McKee, Canada—M. Payne, Alabama—J. Peeters, Netherlands—C. & M. Reger, Florida—A. & T. Rendall, Washington—E. & S. Stephenson, Cincinnati—G. & M. Van Lerberghe, Netherlands—K. Wiesman, Canada—J. Yvorra, United Kingdom—K. Zitt, Cincinnati

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