Next Generation

As the prior post is filling up with comments, it’s time to start another one to continue the conversation.

And since it’s year end, an opportunity to look back.  It’s almost 10 years since the 144,000 were sealed in February of 2008 — except there are yet more to seal.  Almost 5 years since Ron went to prison, and about 2 years since his release.  Just another year of probation to go, perhaps he will have more options for overseas travel.

Ron is already waffling about Christ’s next return scheduled for Pentecost of 2019, and telegraphing that we may possibly have another set of the two witnesses.  If that happens, I expect there to be some continuity with the Weinland family continuing to manage the family false prophecy business.

502 thoughts on “Next Generation

  1. “… Ron now refers to the 3 years he spent in prison as a “sabbatical” …” Mike

    This is a perfect example of liar weinland’s “trickery” of mixing truth with lies. He is a master at this type of deceit!

    To begin, the definition of “sabbatical is as follows: “.. an extended period of leave form one’s customary work especially for rest, to acquire new skills and training ..”

    1) “period of leave from one’s customary work,” this is the core part of liar weinland’s trickery! Yes, because he was sentenced to three years plus in federal prison for tax evasion and this did cause a “period o leave from his customary work” of lying and deceiving. This part of the definition is the “base of truth” for weinland’s trickery.

    2) “for rest” – liar weinland got plenty of rest because he was convicted felon serving time.

    3) “to acquire new skills and training” – he worked in a carpentry shop in prison.

    Liar weinland will only focus on the first part of the definition, “period of leave from one’s customary work” and will go no further than this!! Liar weinalnd next step will be that he will claim to be like Paul and John and receive direct teachings from Christ, THIS IS THE LYING PART OF WEINLAND’S CLAIM OF SABBATICAL!!!!

    This is how this liar works, the mixing of truth and lies to elevate himself about his deceitful lies and create a “new base lie” to look like the truth and build off of it!!

    His motive is simple, to invalidate the 2019 prediction of Christ’s return. It is all done by trickery of mixing truth and lies and make no mistake liar weinland is a master at this!! He has learned it well from the “father of all lies”!!

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  2. (Rev 11:3 KJV)  And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    CHRIST will PERSONALLY EMPOWER the Two Witnesses…

    Where does it say to call for a church fast for any issues they have? Nowhere.

    WHY would the Two Witnesses ask anybody to fast on their behalf, that is saying that Christ fell asleep on the job, and forgot to provide for them. CHRIST FAILED AT HIS DUTIES. Does this sound like Ron + gossiping wife are the Two Witnesses?

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  3. The bible’s God :
    1) Holy Spirit guides you into All Truth (John 16:13)

    Ron’s god (between his ears)
    1) Leads you into lies and error

    The bible’s God
    2) Is The Truth (John 14:6)

    Ron’s god (between his ears)
    2) Is not the truth

    No wonder Ron is clueless.

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  4. A quote from Charles Dickens’ book, “Little Dorrit”:

    “….there is no playing fast and loose with the truth, in any game, without growing the worse for it.”

    Take heed, Ronald, and all perverters of Scripture such as yourself. Whatever you gain by lying for your own benefit will crumble to dust and provide you with little joy or satisfaction in the end.

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  5. What up asshole , times counting down on your 3rd return of Christ and you predicated nothing , I thought you where going to die in street with gossip bitch , hurry please

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  6. The “it was very good” part….

    (it=failed 2012,2013 prophecy)
    Ron “…and the church went through a lot because of it and looking back it was very good if you can understand that, it was very very good”

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  7. Ron should tell that to the people that lost jobs due to “it”, and also even lost family members due to his nonsense. I don’t think they (myself included) thought it was “very, very good”!

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  8. Ron is pathological, in his need to turn every failed prophecy, every lie, every evil he’s done, to something “good”. He does this of course, because he’s a classic narcissist, in that he can never do any wrong.

    For example, the failed 2012,2013 prophecy, was not failed prophecy, but God showing mercy to either the church or the world. Sounds great doesn’t it? But that means God is a liar, not that Ron is completely false. God lied about the 2012 date, the 2013 date, the 2014 date, and the 2019 date (among others).

    So when the 2019 prophecy fails to occur, when Christ does not come back on Pentecost of 2019, it’s not because Ron is a false prophet, it’s because God is giving more time, and being merciful, and giving the PKGers more time to get “ready”.

    Ron has already stated that there will “perhaps” be another year past the 2019 date before Christ can come back.

    But wait a minute! Didn’t God give Ron all that numerological mumbo jumbo that was WITHOUT ERROR? Show absolutely when Christ would return????

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  9. “ It was very very good” for Ron, because it didn’t cost him a cent. He didn’t lose his home, his cars, or his teeth. It didn’t touch him at all. It’s kind of like war, someone loses, but someone profits. Ron can turn someone’s loss of a home and life savings into a win for himself. The spin Dr. never ceases to amaze me. Only Ron can turn a three year prison sentence into a Sabbatical. He didn’t learn a thing, because he never really lost anything. People just dig a little deeper, and keep the lie alive. It’s all win win for the Weinlands as long as there are suckers to believe his stories. Sabbatical!!!!

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  10. Ozy,

    You always hit the bull’s eye when it comes to liar weinland!

    You have mentioned this before about not willing to change to leave weinland’s cult. Recently I was talking with a member I have not seen or heard from in a very long time. I did ask, “why are you still there”? The answer was not what I expected. It was as you said, not willing to face moving on and starting over.

    I asked about the failed predictions and lying about his conviction of tax evasion and his stupid comments about “sabbatical” and false and failed prophesies being “good”. To my amazement, it was agreed that these things were lies! I had to ask, “knowing these things why would you stay in weinland’s cult?” I was stunned to hear this, “I do not like change and to start over is something I am not interested in doing and I just ignore what I know to be false.” I then asked, “what about the money you pay this liar?” This individual is one of the ones who does not give the full percentage. Also, I was informed that on the Sabbaths that they do not meet as a group this individual meet with a different church.

    I have to admit I do not understand or comprehend this kind of thinking! You attend elsewhere, when you can, and yet you still refuse to leave weinland’s cult!? The conversation ended with, “that is just the way I do things at this time.”

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  11. I have to say that this reasoning appalls me. When Ron falls he’s going to pull down a lot of pkgers with him, that’s why you need to leave him.

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  12. EiE, just let Weinland find out your friend has a mind of his own and he’d have a hissy fit. He would boot him/her so fast his head would spin. I know there are others who have played with “ the Weinland rules”. There must be someone in there that still has a little integrity and a mind of their own. Most go along to get along, and I was guilty of this myself for quite a while.Hed be bitching about people’s finances or lack of tithing, and I would sit and cringe at the hypocrisy.He would talk about having a bunch of dental work done on the churches dime, and I knew people with very bad and painful teeth. His daughter got lasik so she could see the checks better and people didn’t have access to the basics. His 19 year old son drove a bmw that the church paid for while tithing adults drove 10 year old cars. We were gullible and stupid, because we love mankind and want a better world for all men.We were foolish enough to believe the church when they said they knew how to attain it. This “ dream” for world peace is hard to part with, so people keep going because believe it or not there are worse places. At least in Weinlands spiritual prison, you know a few of the other inmates.When you leave , you are pretty much on your own, as you realize quickly it was only the church that was really holding you all together. People tend to go their own way after they get out. You quickly come to grips with what was a true belief and what was a COG doctrine. Many of these people already know where they stand, but can lie a little if they show up each week. Your friend has already come to this point. He can fool himself and others for a long time but one day he will have years of regret to look back on. Who wants to do that?

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  13. Ronco LOL!! 😀

    Ozy, I was one of those driving a then 10 year old car, and having dental issues like you wouldn’t believe. Yet, I was still expected (at that point) to keep on tithing, never mind that I had to a make a BIG choice around the end of ’14……………new teeth, or new car—-new teeth or new car—–new teeth or new car.

    Well, I needed a new car as I HAD to be able to get back and forth to work, and it wasn’t long after I bought the car that I literally woke up one Sunday morning (March 8, 2015) and fired off a letter to the powers that be. I had simply had enough, and no longer wanted to deal with the BS.

    It’s been VERY liberating since then to say the least, but I’m still dealing with the financial issues that fooling with them so long put me through. BUT! It is a good feeling to NO LONGER have any guilt feelings about NOT paying enough to Ron for God knows what!

    EIE, that’s a VERY interesting encounter you had with your friend! If nothing else, there may be a glimmer of hope in that they were able to express that to you. Perhaps some day they’ll be like me and literally wake up one fine Sunday morning, and fire off a letter like I did and pretty much tell them to shove it!

    I’ve got a BIG challenge for you Ron! I absolutely DARE you to disfellowship a large number of those you know are not tithing the way they should! I double dog dare you!

    You won’t ‘cuz you know why?? There goes your house, cars, utilities, trips, clothes, heck even underwear you have to buy at the thrift store apparently! No you won’t do that………..all you can do at this point is threaten and even that’s losing its power. 😉

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  14. I would like to say I believe in karma and what goes around comes around , but I’ve been on the planet long enough to know that it isn’t always true. There are always people that just love the con man no matter what he’s done. There are a few widows in the church that will continue to support him no matter what. Some of them have money. Many of us were in the church for 40 years or more, and let me tell you, it’s a hard habit to break. As I stated you have to come to grips with what you actually believe. There are a lot of questions you have to ask yourself right after you “ fire off the letter.” BIG questions about the Sabbath, tithing, belonging to a church at all ever again, unclean meat, just to name a few. After you decide the answers that work for you, is there anyone else that feels that way? People were always afraid of being alone as MOST people even in the confines of the church have differing beliefs.At the end of it all you must be true to yourself and fully admit to man and God where you stand. If the doctrines were always a chore , you never really believed them anyway, and you never fooled God. Ron and co are probably the very poorest examples of what to follow or who to believe. I would rather say to God I did my best and lived a good life, than I followed along after a selfish narcissist and his greedy family because I was too lazy to prove all things.

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  15. I have given more though to my conversation with the individual I have not seen for a very long time.

    I have taken the time reflect on my exit from weinland’ cult. I now remember how I started the disconnect from weinland’s lies and deceit. There was that moment when I did start to ignore all of wienland’s lies and falsehoods, as well as, trimming back the tithe offering. At that time, I did not realize that I was moving toward a complete rejection of liar weinland. And finally, as FNM stated, the day came when I DID reject weinland completely and left!

    I have to admit that I did not pick up on the process this individual is expericing. This individual is now in the process of rejecting liar weinland completely and I would wager that the closer this individual comes to the failure of June 9, 2019 the more pronounced the rejection will become! Hey weinland!! You are losing this one and there will be many more!!!

    I feel confident that I will be hearing again form this indivdiual and this time I will be aware of this process of fully rejecting liar weinland and all he stands for. Also, it would not surprise me that we will be hearing from the masquerader liar weinland again!!

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  16. EiE , it is a process we go through. No one changes their mind over night if they have had true faith in something. I sat for months listening to him berate people for not tithing enough, mentioning that he was signing letters, (my eyes are on you), looking at what people drove to church. Ha! His half educated children are driving cars they didn’t earn and YOU are checking out the cars of men and women who have worked hard and tithed most of their lives. The hypocrisy was overwhelming. I was gone and out of Weinland church long before I left the building. I just had to come to grips with what I really thought of him. It took a lot of thought and contemplation, but one day after church my husband said, well, should I call Greg? I can’t tell you the feeling that suddenly came over me. I totally knew it was the right thing to do and that I didn’t belong to this group and hadn’ for quite a while. I believe it was the failed prophecies primarily, but Ron’s attitude played a huge part. A short time after the first failure, he callously blurted out how some retirees would just have to go back to work, and that we ALL believed it , there by absolving himself of any VERY SMALL (if any) amount of guilt. I just couldn’t believe my ears. I began to totally reverse any good feelings I had ever had about him. The more he denied culpability, and then tore down others the less I thought of him. At the end I was jubilant to call Greg and get the hell out of that evil , judgmental church.

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  17. The true evil, is that Ronald Weinland turned some into atheists.

    Just remember, the 1st century church, you would think this impossible, but the first century church had its share of false apostles, false ministers, false prophets and false brethren.

    So why are people shocked that Ron is a complete false prophet.

    I keep saying this, but this assessment is not a subjective one, coming from disgruntled ex-members. Ron is simply a liar, a thief, a felon and a false prophet. This has been proven in a court of law, and from the bible. It’s a fact. Not some subjective judgement from people who dislike him.

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  18. Martin, it’s all about conditioning and grooming the faithful fewer.And keeping Ron’s idol and mentor in high profile, even to the extent of quoting from “1975 In Prophecy”.
    And every now and then he asserts his spiritual leadership and authority by pointing out that the translations we have of the Bible contain so many errors that he and his mouthpieces have to constantly correct them. Ordinary folk just can’t/don’t understand the Scriptures until Ron decodes the message for the membership of the One True Church.
    The sermon from last week contained the little gem that the “57 Truths” are “the word of God”! It would be laughable if it wasn’t so blasphemous and self-serving.
    You are a piece of work, Ronald Eugene.
    In all fairness, I should point out Ron’s good points and meritorious behaviour. Here goes……

    Oh well, maybe next time. It’s not easy being a false prophet and false apostle. I suppose someone has to take on the role.

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  19. Now nobody’s perfect, so I don’t put other ministers who are genuinely trying to preach the truth, but are wrong. Now some are terribly wrong and may fall into the false apostle/false minister category, and I would say, not to stay with them, others are also wrong but are trying their best to teach the truth, but may be in error here and there, I would say be wary, it may be safe to stay with them.

    In other words, don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.

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  20. So ex-PKGers, have stopped believing the bible and God altogether. This is sad. You allowed Ron to turn you into an atheist. Why are you equating Ron’s falsehood with the bible being false and God being false? Toss out Ronald Weinland, don’t toss out God.
    Now, Ron’s god, where Jesus was a created being is completely false, so I would start with that…and move forward in truth.

    (Ron’s interpretation of John 1:1, is so embarrassing it’s humiliating, how anybody accepted his vomit explanation/interpretation of that verse is beyond me)

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  21. We as humans always take the easy way out, so for those remaining it is much easier for them to have Ron tell them what to do or think, than they don’t have to. In exchange they convince themselves they are the smart ones to let someone else do the work for them.

    The following is a quote I read from one of my latest books about mind control:

    A sociopath is a person who will destroy you, without a heart, without a conscience, without even a second glance. At first they are too perfect and too good to be true. Then they remove your heart and whatever else they want, with a scalpel. The operation they perform is brilliant, often but not always flawless. And when they’ve gotten whatever they came for in the first place, they leave you traumatized, stunned, and bleeding by the roadside, and silently move on, to do it again to someone else.

    Sound like anyone we have all dwelt with?

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  22. Martin,

    I still believe in God, but I choose to follow no religion or man. I trust no one. I won’t follow someone who is a little wrong. I follow no one. It’s all someone’s opinions. I have my own.

    Don’t judge. You were not there. It’s easy to pass judgement on those who have been hurt. That is not your place.

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  23. Martin, are you assuming ex pkgers have lost their faith in God? This could not be farther from the truth. I believed in God long before I ever met Ron. It would be sad to think that someone such as him could destroy ones faith. If this is the case , then the faith was not strong to begin with and the faith was in Ron and not God. My faith is in tact but I feel somewhat like Ruby M when I say I will never affiliate with a church again or follow a man. There are far too many differing opinions and you find you must go along with doctrines you may not agree with or fully understand, just to be part of a group. I keep the Sabbath because I believe in the Sabbath, the Holy Days, because I believe in them, refrain from unclean meat because I believe it IS unclean. I do not judge anyone who has a differing opinion. I don’t feel they are damned or lake of fire fodder. I don’t completely understand God and his ways and I fully admit it. I’m ok with this. I will NOT be lead down the garden path by anyone ever again. If you were not part of the church , perhaps you cannot fully understand people who have. I don’t understand it myself at times and I was there for 40 years. Breaking away is not as easy as it seems as your whole life is wrapped up with these people. Some would rather do nothing than start all over after 40 years.it would be like changing careers after 40 years. It’s not impossible, but it is a little daunting. Most know as Ruby and I know, there is no place left after this, and you would be on your own. I’m fine with that but some people wouldn’t like it. They would miss the fellowship and be compelled to find another group. As I said before, even in the environs of the church , there are differing opinions as to doctrine, so finding a group that believes just as you do might be difficult.

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  24. Well Martin you step in a pile on that one!

    However, you are correct that a small number did indeed give it all up because of liar weinland, but that was a very small number. The majority did as Ruby and Ozy said, it was a rejection of liar weinland and all that he stood for. Their faith in God never changed. It was liar weinland that was rejected not God!!

    In my experience, I was enraged at myself for being so damn stupid to allow myself to have been misled by liar weinland!!! Make no mistake, I find liar weinland to a vile man giving no thought to anyone but himself!! However, I do not and will not forgive him for what he has done to honest individuals with his lies and deceit!!!! Weinland is a grubby feeding maggot that is gutting the innocent of their wealth!!! You can see and tell this by the constant lying and excuses he uses to deceive any who will listen! Glad I’m Free hit the nail on the head with the quote from his/her book!

    Also, if you have ever notice, weinland put out the scripted sermon in PDF on his website, I have seen with my own eyes that his members study the scripted sermon and NOT God’s Word!! This is the trickery of liar weinland and that is to divert attention away from the Bible and replace with his own scripted crap!!! This is how he laces the truth with his own perverted lies!!! Ask any ex-member and they will confirm this!!! Oh yes, liar weinland will quote scripture in his scripted sermon but the problem is that he has already polluted and twisted the scripture to sync up with the numbing cocktail that he has already prepared. This is what he does and he does it well!!!

    As long as there are some who will listen and follow his lies it will go on until this vile man dies!!!

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  25. I hope you don’t mind my asking….(I bring this up every now and then)

    EiE, what is your current stance on Ron’s doctrine that Christ was a created being, and did not pre-exist?
    (others can chime in on this question)

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  26. There were a few who clearly recognized it as heresy when he first began to teach it. They left. I tried to listen to a few of the series of sermons back when he started on it. Too easy to prove his pathetic reasoning wrong. I fear the pride and stroked vanity being made elders has convinced my family still there that they actually know how to study Gods Word. I am fairly sure they were babes in Christ at best when they followed Ron out of United.

    What a con man.

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  27. ps. The reason I asked was for the benefit of any new comers to this blog.

    One of the signs of a false prophet, is that they bring “another” god to the people.

    Ron’s teaching of another god, that Christ was a created being, does this.

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  28. Mat 11:27. No one knew the Father unless Christ reveals Him to them.

    Simple logic tells us that Christ as the God of the old Testament came to this earth and one of His roles as a man was to reveal the Father. Reveal the second part of Elohim, plural word of Gen 1, in the beginning “God”.

    John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    No one could go to the Father except thru Christ. The Father first revealed then thru Christ man has access to Him.

    This is Bible basics totally ignored by any listening to Weinland.

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  29. Ron’s nonsense is easily refuted….

    So if Christ was a created being, then the only option is that the OT God was God the Father….

    But then, if this is true, Christ was very confused, because He came to reveal the Father, and no one had even heard the voice of the Father, much less, knew of Him. This would make Christ out to be an imbecile.

    Did you ever notice…
    (Joh 1:15 YLT)  John doth testify concerning him, and hath cried, saying, ‘This was he of whom I said, He who after me is coming,*HATH COME BEFORE ME, FOR HE WAS BEFORE ME*.

    In modern english: Christ existed before John the Baptist was born.

    Ron, please explain this.

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  30. This will be my only quote:

    John 17:5 “… with the glory which I had with you before the world existed …”

    Hey heretic weinland! Explain this one!!

    The jury has spoken, weinland is a lying heretic!!

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