Is Christ About to Return?

The title of this post is also the name of the latest post on Ronald Weinland’s blog made yesterday evening.  My answer is “no” and Ronald Weinland is developing the sale of that notion to those drinking his flavor aid with statements such as:

The next and far more meaningful “count” and alignment for Christ’s coming is on Pentecost, June 9th of 2019.

You can know if that is the time Christ will once again stand upon the Mt. of Olives if a third world war has broken out by February or March of 2019 at the latest. If not, then the next possible return will be the Pentecost of 2020. Beyond that and there will be a space of more time that will be a matter of a few years.

And then there was this oxymoronic statement:

The book, Prophesy Against the Nations, explains the prophetic countdown that began in December 1994 and the intricate plan whereby God will fulfill specific timing and prophecy for this end-time. The eventual precise timing God will use to fulfill these prophetic events is somewhat fluid due to current choices being made by people in God’s own Church and by leaders in this world.

He’s also thrown out another bone to divert his followers from his hedging, stating that the proper first name for Christ is not “Jesus” but rather “Joshua”.

Housekeeping on this blog:  As I’ve stated, this blog is going away from this site.  I’ve copied most of the content to this site “https://fprw.wordpress.com/” in preparation for the transition and have redirected traffic from this site to the new site.

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16 thoughts on “Is Christ About to Return?

  1. Here is the relevant discussion from the prior post:

    Enough is Enough says:
    June 8, 2018 at 20:24 (Edit)

    Something is up in pkg!! Phone calls are being made!!
    Plimsol says:
    June 9, 2018 at 02:46 (Edit)

    EiE – I’m not surprised. Have you seen the new post on Ron’s website?
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 04:47 (Edit)

    LOL!!!!
    Enough is Enough says:
    June 9, 2018 at 04:55 (Edit)

    Not yet but will
    Enough is Enough says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:11 (Edit)

    Just more of his same old bs. This is nothing new and the name of Joshua is used in many organizations.

    Not yours to own liar weinland!!!!!!
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:22 (Edit)

    Joshua has been used in COG’s circles, albeit rarely, to refer to Jesus. Jewish converts to Christianity will use Joshua to refer to Jesus. I don’t think it’s an important issue.
    Jesus and the apostles, primarily spoke Aramaic, and names and pronunciations from the Hebrew were (I don’t think) the same. Jesus made no point of it, the apostles made no point of it, the NT makes no point of it. It’s a non-issue.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:25 (Edit)

    The moronic part of his blog….
    Subtitlted: “Is Christ About to Return? …Could it be in less than a year? ”

    “The book, Prophesy Against the Nations, explains the prophetic countdown that began in December 1994 and the intricate plan whereby God will fulfill specific timing and prophecy for this end-time. The eventual precise timing God will use to fulfill these prophetic events is somewhat fluid due to current choices being made by people in God’s own Church and by leaders in this world. That is because there are great variables that exist because of the kinds of choices people have before them, and this has strong bearing on how and when God will bring all things together in order to complete the fulfillment of all end-time prophecy. Nevertheless, God is using specific segments of timing in order to usher in His Kingdom on earth where the Christ will finally become the prophesied King of kings over all nations. “
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:28 (Edit)

    The oxymoronic part….
    “The eventual PRECISE TIMING God will use to fulfill these prophetic events is somewhat FLUID”

    You can’t be “precise” and “fluid”. It’s a moronic statement to make.

    “That is because there are great variables that exist because of the kinds of choices people have before them, and this has strong bearing on how and when God will bring all things together in order to complete the fulfillment of all end-time prophecy. ”

    Ron is blaming people, primarily PKG’s, for the fault of Ron’s continually failing prophecies.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:30 (Edit)

    false prophet Ron said “You can know if that is the time Christ will once again stand upon the Mt. of Olives if a third world war has broken out by February or March of 2019 at the latest. If not, then the next possible return will be the Pentecost of 2020. Beyond that and there will be a space of more time that will be a matter of a few years”
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 05:58 (Edit)

    Before Ron said in January, if war hadn’t started, then we would have more time…
    Now he’s hedging it with Feb or March. Then says the next possible return date would be Pentecost of 2020. On what basis would that be so? Well, there is no basis to make such a statement.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 06:03 (Edit)

    Ron uses the phrase ““Is Christ About to Return?” to plant the seeds of doubt, so that when Pentecost 2019 rolls around, Ron could say, “See, I told you Christ was probably not returning!”

    To those read Ron’s latest post/lie…Get out, leave this liar, I know that many in PKG KNOW that Ron is a liar. So why stay? Don’t you know what is written? That those that follow a blind man will go into the pit with him? BOTH will fall into the “pit”. It doesn’t say that the blind leader will fall into the “pit” and the others will escape the “pit”. BOTH fall into it.

    What does this mean? This means that when Ronald Weinland goes down, he’s going to take a whole lot of others with him to their destruction. That is why it is not safe to stay.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 06:07 (Edit)

    Regarding the Joshua/Jesus name issue..

    Here are SOME the places where Jesus and the disciples are seen as quoting from the Greek translation of the OT:

    Matt. 1:23 / Isaiah 7:14 – behold, a “virgin” shall conceive. Hebrew – behold, a “young woman” shall conceive.
    Matt. 3:3; Mark 1:3; John 1:23 / Isaiah 40:3 – make “His paths straight.” Hebrew – make “level in the desert a highway.”
    Matt. 12:21 / Isaiah 42:4 – in His name will the Gentiles hope (or trust). Hebrew – the isles shall wait for his law.
    Luke 3:5-6 / Isaiah 40:4-5 – crooked be made straight, rough ways smooth, shall see salvation. Hebrew – omits these phrases.
    Luke 4:18 / Isaiah 61:1 – and recovering of sight to the blind. Hebrew – the opening of prison to them that are bound.
    Luke 4:18 / Isaiah 58:6 – to set at liberty those that are oppressed (or bruised). Hebrew – to let the oppressed go free.

    If we take a look at Luke 4, we see that Jesus was verbally preaching the above-mentioned texts which were found in the Greek translation of Isaiah. In other words, we have some scriptural evidence that Christ spoke and read Greek, seeing as he was quoting from the Greek translation of the OT:
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 06:09 (Edit)

    Since we have evidence that Christ spoke Greek (that is, it wasn’t just the language the bible was translated into at a later date). Christ would have used the Greek pronunciations of names and places. Thus, this issue of pronunciations of His or other names, appears to be a non-issue.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 06:52 (Edit)

    Two points….let’s reason about this…

    1) The very first miracle when the NT church was founded was the miracle of Pentecost. The other people heard the testimony about God in their tongues. The word for “God” was whatever word they used for “God” in their tongue, otherwise they would not have understood what was being said. It doesn’t say they heard in their tongue, everything, except one or two words that were in Aramaic. They wouldn’t have understood, their would have been confusion. And God is not the author of confusion.

    2) Sometimes names morph in pronunciation or spelling or both, when going from language to language. “Jesus” is pronounced one way in English and another in Spanish, but it is usually spelt the same. Usually the spelling is the same. There is nothing in the NT advocating the absolute spelling and pronunciation of Jesus in one particular way. The important thing to understand is what Jesus taught and who Jesus was (something Ron is clueless on, since he teaches Christ did not pre-exist, which is a heresy).
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:18 (Edit)

    Another thing Ron focuses on, is his heresy on the nature of Christ.

    There are plenty of OT and NT scriptures that make it plain, that Christ pre-existed.

    Micah 5:2
    “But as for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Too little to be among the clans of Judah, From you One will go forth for Me to be ruler in Israel His goings forth are from long ago, From the days of eternity.”

    Joh 1:26 John answered them, saying, ‘I baptize with water, but in midst of you he hath stood whom ye have not known, this one it is who is coming after me, who HATH BEEN BEFORE ME,
    John 1:15 (another rendering)
    John testified about Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I, for He existed before me.’”

    John 8:58
    Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

    John 17:5
    “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.
    Fooled No More says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:29 (Edit)

    And it’s started BIG TIME! I don’t have the time or patience to dissect all of Ron’s latest garbage, but this line here says it all………..

    You can know if that is the time Christ will once again stand upon the Mt. of Olives if a third world war has broken out by February or March of 2019 at the latest. If not, then the next possible return will be the Pentecost of 2020. Beyond that and there will be a space of more time that will be a matter of a few years.

    OK you all still clinging to hope in PKG…………..haven’t we heard this before?? How many times will you keep listening to excuses with all of these qualifiers?? How much more money do you want to lose between now and June 9, next year? You know Ron will expect you to keep tithing no matter what. I say cease and desist because if it’s all coming to an end, what’s the point?

    Maybe ask him that?

    EIE, just curious and you may not want to spill the beans here, but can you fill us in on what the hubbub is all about with the phone calls flying fast and furious? I get a sense it has a lot to do with this latest post as those who are “tuned in” to the smell of horse s***, probably have had their fill and are threatening to leave.

    GO FOR IT COG-PKG!!!!
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:31 (Edit)

    LEARN TO READ BETWEEN THE LINES….

    What Ron is SHOUTING to those who will hear is this…

    “I RONALD WEINLAND AM A FALSE PROPHET”

    Ron said his numerological calculations for his Pentecost 2019 date, were…
    1) FROM GOD
    2) WITHOUT ERROR (he believed)

    Since Ron does not now believe Christ is returning on Pentecost 2019, it is clear that the calculations were entirely false and baseless, and NOT from God.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:36 (Edit)

    The “nutshell” version of Ron’s latest post
    1) Christ is not returning Pentecost 2019 (Ron couches it in a question, but it is clear, he no longer trusts in the 2019 date)
    2) Jesus should be called Joshua now
    3) It is the “peoples” fault Christ is NOT returning on Pentecost 2019 (by “people” he means PKGers)
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:42 (Edit)

    Ron is a classical double-speak preacher….straight out of Orwell’s 1984.

    Let’s use Ron’s double-speak in a mathematical statement, and see how it sounds.

    2 + 2 precisely equals 4
    But it can be fluid, 2 + 2 can equal 5. On a Tuesday it can equal 7.

    Now (for PKGers) go back and read his horse-manure on how God can be exactly precise a date or timing and be fluid about that date and timing at the same time.
    martin says:
    June 9, 2018 at 07:50 (Edit)

    The timing is ‘fluid’, “…due to current choices being made by people in God’s own Church and by leaders in this world”.

    So this upcoming FAILURE is NOT because Ron is a false prophet, it’s because of the choices make by PKGers and leaders in the world.

    Fascinating, Ron never takes the blame for anything (like his tax fraud, it wasn’t tax fraud, it was the IRS/FBI persecuting him).

    No, it’s not Ron’s fault Christ is not returning, it’s YOUR FAULT PKGers.

    Fooled No More says:
    June 9, 2018 at 08:15 (Edit)

    I think I might try that line on the bosses whenever I’m late for work!

    Them: “You know you were late coming in!”

    Me: “No I wasn’t………….time was fluid at the time I clocked in! Should have been five minutes EARLIER than what it said!”

    Yeah, that’ll go over like a skunk in a space suit!

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  2. I have to wonder how many in PKG are grumbling in absolute disgust as they know they’re being lied to AGAIN! The bigger question is, how long before there’s a MAJOR revolt and Ron is literally left with just a few members?

    No more big fat tithes coming in………in fact and this may be far fetched—- a lawsuit for major fraud due to what was done with all that money? I’m no legal scholar, but there are those in PKG that are, and it’ll be interesting to see if it ever gets that far.

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  3. Giving Ronald Weinland your tithes……

    Let’s consider this situation, a parent give their son an allowance to pay for school books and for food. The son takes the money and uses it to pay for drugs. No parent is going to continue paying that allowance if they find out it is being misspent.

    PKGers say that what Ron does with the tithes is Ron’s responsibility. Many know he’s misappropriating the tithes on selfish choices, but still assert it is Ron’s to do with as Ron wishes.

    Now, when you stand before God, what is your excuse going to be?
    “I gave Ron money, knowing he was misusing it.” ?

    When you read the absolute garbage he recently posted, how are you going to keep sending Ron money? STOP SENDING RON MONEY, YOU ARE FUNDING A FALSE PROPHET.

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  4. Ron has been expressing doubt in the 2019 date for some time now. I wonder how many PKGers were listening?

    Now, in his latest post, he forms it as a question, he does this to plant some early seeds of doubt in the date, it’s an attempt to mitigate damages and people leaving.

    EiE, what is your wife’s reaction, is she disgusted with Ron now?

    Anthony, what is your reaction? Are you going to accept more lies and deceit from Ron?

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  5. Mat_15:14  Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
    Luk_6:39  And he spake a parable unto them, Can the blind lead the blind? shall they not both fall into the ditch?

    “ditch” is probably not the best English translation. The impression is that of a narrow channel dug in ground. One can stumble and trip in a “ditch” and perhaps catch themselves from falling.

    Better would be “pit”, or “cistern”, both are deep pits. Falling into it, would lead to broken bones, and perhaps death. A cistern would be a deep pit or a deep well. If you survived the fall, you would need external help to get out. This is why staying with the blind prophet Ronald Weinland is not safe. When Ron falls, he’ll drag many down into the “pit” with him.(Just believe what the NT says is true)

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  6. Where do you see Moses say, God fulfills stuff fluidly???
    That prophecy on the plague of hail, that will befall you tomorrow will now come 10 days later and instead of hail, it will be an earthquake (?)
    Where is anything anybody choice to think or do, come into the picture? Did anything the Egyptians thought or did, have any bearing on any prophetic plague/judgment? Or did anything the Israelites thought or did, have any bearing on any prophetic plague/judgement that Moses spoke from God?

    Isa 55:11  So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall NOT return unto me VOID, but it shall accomplish that which I please

    God say His word won’t come back void, that is, God gives a prophetic message through His prophet to the people, it’s going to happen. God’s prophecy will not come back void, it will happen the way it was stated. Their are *prophecies* the come from God, these will happen as stated, but their are *judgments* that are not prophecies, and God can relent if the nation repents.

    Ron said this official prophecy from him, on the Pentecost 2019 date, was from God, and not in error.

    RON JUST VOIDED THIS PROPHECY.

    Listen to what this means. This means God was a liar when God said His word would not return to Him void. Basically Ron is calling God a liar.

    Do you need for Ron to explicitly say, he’s a false prophet and liar? Or can you not determine that from the objective evidence?

    Anthony, Ron voided “God’s prophecy” on the Pentecost 2019 date. Do you want to follow somebody who calls God a liar?

    Read your bible and cultivate a relationship with God at home. Get away from this heretic. If you are tithing than stop give Ron your tithe. You would be funding a thief and liar.

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  7. Back around the 2009 time frame, Ron gave a series of sermons on Jonah, and how the town Ninevah had repented and God turned back his judgment. Now that I think of it, Ron could have been signaling even back then about this “fluidity” and how things can “change”. Well, sure enough, we had the May 27, 2012 debacle and somewhere along the line I thought Ron gave a sermon repeating that very thing.

    Because everyone in PKG had done “such a good job” entreating God for mercy, he’s held back the punishment on the US. I can remember commenting here on this blog that after that sermon, I wonder if anyone was able to get out of the room their heads were swelled up so big with pride! 😀

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  8. In Ezekiel, you read “prophesy” this, or “prophesy” that….

    Many prophecies……but in Jonah, the word “prophesy” is not used, it says “cry out loud” or something to that effect. The nation repented, so God relented.

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  9. (Ezekiel 39:1 KJV)  Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy(H5012) against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

    Prophesy(H5012) is used in Ezekiel 32 times….

    In Jonah Prophesy(H5012) is not used at all.

    In Jonah, God tells Jonah, twice, to “cry” against the city of Ninevah.
    (Jonah 1:2 KJV)  Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry(H7121) against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.
    (Jonah 3:1-2 KJV)
    (1)  And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying,
    (2)  Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach(H7121) unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

    It was a judgement God was going to bring about on Ninevah if they didn’t repent. It was not a prophecy, but a judgement. The nation repented. So God relented on the judgement He was going to execute on them.

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  10. The Pentecost 2019 date was an ‘official prophecy’ FROM GOD, Ron used mumbo jumbo numerology, which is basically divination that is condemned in the bible, to come up with this date that was ‘without error’.

    “Is Christ About to Return?”, Ron phrases this in the form of a question. Plants a seed of doubt that it will happen. Ron KNOWS it won’t happen. The whole “If by January” (what he said originally at some point), things don’t pan out, then more time will be “allowed”. This has now been extended (LOL) to “If by February or if by March”, things don’t pan out, WWIII doesn’t start, then more time will be allowed.

    It’s all horse manure by liar Ronald Weinland.

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  11. I just noticed a 2 week gap in Ron’s travel itinerary. Did he have an extended stay in Hawaii?

    I wouldn’t be surprised.

    I wonder what he will talk about today? Will he talk abut the recent blog post/lie?

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  12. PKGers, LEAVE THIS FALSE PROPHET.

    The evidence is crystal clear. Ronald Weinland is NOT who he says he is. Ron is NOT one of the Two Witnesses of Rev 11.

    Not a single thing he’s “prophesied” has come true. Why would you stay with him? Don’t you know he will drag those with him, over the cliff, to their destruction?

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