Heart Attack Redux

According to sources including a comment left on the blog, False Prophet Ronald Weinland suffered a heart attack last Thursday, May 28.  This was not his first heart attack, as he had one on or about August 4, 2005 and was out of commission for 5 weeks recovering from triple bypass heart surgery.  Word is that he returned to prison yesterday and is to have stents put in after he gets stronger.  Some skepticism on that from some quarters.  Perhaps he had urgently needed angioplasty in one area of the heart and they see some other areas that are marginal but not urgent.

Other speculation is that he died already.  And yet other speculation that he will get an early release in 2015.  In answer to both of those, the Bureau of Prisons inmate locator shows him to be incarcerated at Terre Haute FCI with a release date next February 17.  I personally doubt that he will leave the prison system before that date unless it is feet first.  Which I don’t expect.

What I consider more likely is that he would be transferred to a prison hospital, such as the Lexington FMC which is only a couple of hours commute for the Silent Witness from their home on the golf course.

Looking for prophetic significance, August 4, 2005 to May 28, 2015 is exactly 512 weeks.  Which is 2-to-the-ninth-power weeks.  Must be some significance in that.

While some are looking to this as a sign of God punishing Weinland, I don’t see that.  It’s just Weinland with a bad heart.  Herbert Armstrong was a bigger false prophet than Weinland and abused more people.  Weinland never told people to avoid medical care and never a whiff of sexual improprieties.  Armstrong probably evaded more in taxes than Weinland.  Yet Herbert Armstrong died in his own bedroom in his 90’s without having all the plagues of Revelation visited on him.

A few months after Ron’s heart attack in 2005, he announced that he is a biblical character.  Wonder if there will be a redux of that too.  Perhaps Jesus.  Rather doubt it, but if he did I think many of his remaining followers would believe it.

———previously posted ———–

JD left a comment:

People are upset in pkg.  Ron had a massive heart attack last Thursday and people are just finding out and are upset because it has been keep under wraps.  maybe the big wigs think people will start running for the doors if their mighty leader has fallen yet again.    Hmmmmmm maybe Ron is one of the ones who is scheduled to die for not repenting.  Has to start somewhere.

I’ll try to have more information later.


103 thoughts on “Heart Attack Redux

  1. No turning back now, I sent you my email, please feel free to write, since November that’s insane, Maggie can be quit pushy when it comes to things, and will become abrasive , that’s her way, she was at the feast in Florida last fall, and she spent it with another guy from phoenix that she still talks to all the time, anyway would like to talk with you also, it might be interesting. She says he has been up here also more than once, great values, and yes she is planning to move down there to your place, she’s a user, anybody on this blog that has had dealings with her will tell you she can be very difficult.


  2. Well my ex told me that he is not in love with Maggie but thinks he will be able to fall in love . He has sent me three texts today stating he wished it was me and that we could be together but knows it’s not going to happen!!! Why because I wont accept the church!! Like my handle says NO TURNING BACK !!!! I wish him well in his new adventure and to me that is exactly what it will be!!! Two despite people that barely know each other tying the knot….what ever happened to falling in love and not just settling for the first person that comes along!! I have 2 children and I am concerned for them as they live with him and she will be moving into the house that we built and raised our kids in. Please pray for them!


  3. GA girl, I think I know who you are and I gave Mike permission to give you my email. I would love to hear how y’all are!!!!


  4. No Turning Back, I KNOW the person that your ex is about to marry, and all I can say is YIKES!!! 😮

    I’ve had a few run ins with that gal at different Sabbath services, and I can tell you like her ex said—–she can be quite difficult and a real smart-Alec. She’s fortunate that the old cab driver in me didn’t come out the one time she said something smart, as I KNOW I would have had her in tears as I would have let her have it big time!

    I don’t understand this “falling in love” quickly either except I will say this—–Ron has put yet another date out there for the church. This time it’s November 7th when all hell is supposed to break loose on the world with the “Great Tribulation”. Unfortunately, what that does to the minds of people is to not act rationally, and think things through, because “well if we don’t do this now, we won’t be able to because the world will be a mess!”

    I saw this happen in the run up to May 27, 2012 where people were leaving jobs (I was one of them), buying things on credit as if they were going to get them “free” because of no more debt in the Millennium, and unfortunately marriages that happened because of that mindset that I just described.

    This might be the reason your ex and she are in such a rush. All I can say is that they are in for a real world of hurt when these “dates” don’t pan out, and things are continuing on just as before——except they suddenly realize that they really don’t love each other…….just married out of “convenience”. 😦

    I do feel really sorry for your kids! I went through something similar as a teen in the mid ’70’s when one of my parents married again. We didn’t know this fellow well, but we were somehow supposed to “like him” because he existed I guess.

    Well that didn’t and never works!

    If you’d like, you can get my email addy from Mike if you’d like someone to talk to…….this is NOT an easy time for you, and I can empathize!


  5. Fooled no more, thanks for your kind words, I am dealing with this fairly well, I have 2 wonderful young adult children that are in college and because I down sized and my ex bought me out on our home the kids choose to stay there, it is where they grew up…..I purchased a 1400 SQ foot house that is rather small for 3 people and a dog 🙂 However I keep in touch with them and see them when our schedules allow,and they only live a few miles away… I have a great job, good health and I am free from living with a man that I really love with all my heart…but cant stand his pride !!! I have countless blessings that I am thankful for every day….I am an ER nurse and I often see how fragile life is . I assisted a baby being born and closed the eyes of a dying man. I choose to be happy 🙂


  6. Fooled No More,

    November 7th will come and go as a typical day and I wonder what the new spin will be. Also, don’t forget about the 63,000 that are suppose to flock to pkg. This is supposed to happen between now and Nov 7th. Also, ron will still be in prison on Nov 7th. Explain that one!

    If the members are doing what they did in 2012 then that is on them. How many failures is it going to take before they realize that they have been played for fools?


  7. well Ron has incorporated the church in his new dates that God revealed to him. So it will be on the church as Ron implied it collectively…….I feel sorry for them 😦


  8. re “Also, don’t forget about the 63,000 that are suppose to flock to pkg.”

    It goes without saying, that Ron knows NOTHING on prophecy, the proof is in the pudding, and the pudding stinks.

    Ron has what I call the “key words”….like Beast, Anti-Christ, Tribulations, Day of the Lord….etc…..that are in the bible, so people who don’t study the bible are easily captured because it sounds like Ron knows what he is talking about.

    But he understands none of the truths related to them.

    For example….his doctrine regarding the 63,000 comes from Rev 11:13

    Rev 11:13 And in that hour a great earthquake occurred, and the tenth part of the city fell. And seven thousand names of men were slain in the earthquake. And the rest were frightened and gave glory to the God of Heaven.

    He reads the 7000 as 10% of a full 70,000 of the population that got slain.


    I ask the reader….what is it really saying? before going on with this post…..read it for yourself.



    The total that died is 7000, we do NOT know out of what number that 7000 comes from, that is, what percent of the population the 7000 is.

    This is how Ron easily deceives people, BECAUSE THEY DON’T BOTHER TO READ THE VERSES.

    For those that read the verses, it should be obvious what is actually being stated, and how Ron can’t even understand English, much less prophecy


  9. city (G4172) is the greek word “polis”, it is where we get metro-polis. It means city or town, it has NOTHING to do with the population.

    It has to do with the BUILDINGS. What happens during an earthquake? Apparently Ron has no clue.

    Building collapse in an earthquake. This is what the verse is talking about, when it says a tenth of the city fell. A tenth of the city’s buildings collapse and kill 7000 men/women.


  10. I’ve often said that if someone who called himself “Saint Crap” began preaching the Armstrong doctrines and prophecy mold, he’d probably have people lining up to give their tithes, 401k, and deed to their houses to him. How would he get past that horrid name? Ah, that’s easy! “Don’t look to a name, brethren!”

    In business, the people who charge above-average amounts for their goods and services get to keep the money mostly because they are the ones who are adept at explaining why their prices are not only realistic, but actually a better deal. They aren’t alone in this. The leaders of a high demand cult go further. They not only justify membership in their cult, they also paint all manner of serious negative events and punishments to cover the eventualities should anyone consider leaving. They are convincing up to a point, and then when people finally see through them (some actually never do), they feel betrayed and exploited. Unfortunately, the betrayal and the exploitation often result in anger and bitterness.

    The permanent damage these people do forces their victims to spend a lifetime trying to regain equillibrium.



  11. “Also, don’t forget about the 63,000 that are suppose to flock to pkg.”

    No… The 63,000 are supposed to flock to Mr David C Pack’s RCG compound in beautiful Wadsworth, Ohio after Weinland, Meredith and Flurry all go in one big pile.


  12. No turning back, WOW he doesn’t love her but thinks he can fall in love with her, and they are rushing to get married, amazing, the values of people in pkg never seem to amaze me. in the last 2 years my ex has dated 3 different guys in the pkg, and been to the feast with 2 of them, and next will be your ex, didn’t know my ex wife is the bar fly of the pkg. I wonder what kind of church thinks this type of behavior is proper. She’s been down there a couple of times, wonder if she stayed at his place, if so i wonder what the church would think of that. I asked her what the rush was and among other things she said SEX. He says he doesn’t love her SOMEONE NEEDS TO TO TELL HER she says he is the one and in love with him, sounds like he is leading her on. Next you’ll be telling me he has money troubles or tends to drink a bit. I know he is coming up here for the first time soon, wonder where he’ll stay, he didn’t even come up here after her house fire, i was there every day helping her holding her doing the best I could for her, and he doesn’t even bother to come up and help, that should be a red flag

    I can tell you more than likely she will strain any relationship your ex has with his kids, she’ll start out being nice but she will change. my 2 oldest would not even come over to the house because of her, and my son who was living with us was unhappy and looked for a reason not to be home as much as possible when she was home, luckily he worked at my business and we had time there together without her.

    I am not perfect by any means and have my faults, and caused problems with our marriage more or less because of me resentment of pkg and how they were all first above all ese in her mind. I had a pre-nup when i married her and thank god i did the first thing she asked her was if she could break it, luckily she didn’t have any chance, i was still generous when we split and gave her way more than I had to. Like I said i had a role in our troubles, mostly because I couldn’t take the insanity of PKG.

    Dates are important to these people, i don’t get why as nothing ever happens, I did notice that every time she game home from services, it was all negative, everybody had had a bad week, and gloom and doom was coming.

    As the last couple of weeks have unfolded I have had to think, why did I keep trying, kept hopeing she would change back to the woman I fell for that was just starting in PKG and not that much into it i guess. But I have opened my eyes these people are insane


  13. Stupid for trying to hang on, The first time Maggie visited she stayed at the house this last time she stayed in a hotel, not sure why….That’s my EX, cant live without sex, apparently it is more important than being in love. I always thought one loved the person you were with sexually hence the saying “making love” ….seems shallow and pathetic to me!!! Oh well it’s his gig,
    I hope he is happy!

    A friend of mine that knows Maggie said exactly what you are saying, apparently she told this mutual friend that my kids will have nothing to do with me…..REALLY!!!!! First she does not know me at all, secondly my kids love me and respect me. They admire my strength in this difficult situation. How dare she judge me!!!! It is not like my ex to say these sorts of things about me unless he is trying to lift himself up, but I really doubt it, it’s not his character. She better not mess with my kids cuz she will have to deal with me and when I am provoked watch out!!

    BTW he does have financial problems big time but I am sure he shared all this with his soon to be wife. Isn’t that what couples do when they decide to get married? There shouldn’t be any secrets….and he does have a couple beers or marquritas or wine each day but again I am sure she knows all this,after all they are getting married and they have spent 5 full days together!!

    Like you, I have my faults in the marriage but for the most part I was the giver and he was the taker. I was committed to him until I could no longer stand it …..that cult is the demise of many marriages. Ronald Weinland I hope your sorry arse is pleased. You have screwed up so many lives you should be ashamed.


  14. Did the asshole crooked yet ? Did I every say how much I hate this family wreaking lieing money stealing asshole !


  15. Everyone was always stressed in the cult. Always battles and problems and more battles and more problems … when you are looking for negativity then it’s all you see. I certainly have no regrets over leaving that ridiculous cult. Did I say it was a CULT? Because it’s a CULT.

    Hank Hill: (rolls down car window) Are y’all with the cult?

    Cult member: It’s not a cult. It’s an organization that promotes love and –

    Hank Hill: This is it!


  16. Bilbo
    That’s what I said everything negative , there all sick or have money problems they watch the news 24/7 to see if there’s earth quakes , hurricanes , or bad stuff floods, he ( the asshole ) got them all scare to death they need to learn family is frist and happiness ,
    Leave the asshole and his bitch , flip on a good movie watch it with your family and have a good laugh tell them you love them and God will take care not no Man or his bitch ! And read your bible and not listen to the asshole he is in Fedral prison on five counts of stealing your money he will be living with Satan soon !!!!!


  17. I feel your frustration Randy! I’m lucky to be fully out, everyone I care about is free of this cult. For me it’s entertainment to pop in and poke fun once in a while, is how I’m going to get my money’s worth out of Ron, but also blunt truth is blunt truth and if it telling it like it is frees one person it was worth it.

    There is way more good than bad in the world, if that’s where you’re focus is. There is way more bad than good in the world, if that’s where your focus is. And, whichever you focus on gets bigger in your life.

    Also I know someone in my region who left PKG and was intensely lonely afterward, and still kept honor and standards and respect with dating and marriage. Amazing, somebody a COG would reject as unbelieving spawn of satan (when this person actually loves God more than ever), and they’re not sleeping around, in fact, more clean and honorable than any of the church “relationships” described here. Talk about abusing “unevenly yoked” scripture to justify divorce and finding someone new to sleep with … God’s own true people indeed, lol. Crazy sad these destroyed families. I don’t know what to say, my heart goes out to everyone affected.


  18. That these people think they are of God is laughable

    1) Ronald Weinland – tax thief (to the tune of a quarter million dollars or more), liar, false prophet 10 times over, hedonist

    2) Laura Weinland – lusts for jewelry, paintings, erotic panties, cars, is an outright liar, gossiper, lazy bum

    3) Audra Weinland – divorced and remarried…by bible definition she is an adulterer, also is a lazy bum


  19. the irony is that most of the previous points have been proven in a court of law, by the Weinland’s documents!


  20. Martin, it was interesting I found that nothing was mentioned at the beginning of the sermon (given by Wayne)today. I tuned in for just a few seconds to see if something would be said by Johnny but………………….Not a word! In the past, when something major would happen to brethren it was mentioned in the beginning of the sermon, but no more I suppose. Gotta circle those wagons!

    Shhhhhh Martin! You’re not supposed to mention all of the faults and misdeeds of The Weinlands! Gotta keep that money train rollin’ dontcha know!


  21. BTW, this is a little off topic. You all remember in my first letter to Mike that one of the reasons I left PKG (among many) was that I was so TIRED of being broke constantly, especially when I needed some MAJOR dental work done and never had the money for it.

    Well, Friday of last week I went in to the dentist, and had the rest of my teeth pulled, and am now sporting a new set of dentures! 🙂

    It was interesting that a couple months ago, a co-worker had mentioned a free dental clinic (MOM-n-PA) that was going to be run during May 29-30. I scheduled last Friday off from work and showed up at 4:30 in the morning as I knew there were going to be a LOT of people there. I was seen a a few hours later as I was #151 to be seen. The Dentist had told me that because my teeth were so misaligned due to the gum disease, indeed all of them should come out.

    So……….for the next hour/hour and a half the dentist pulled the remaining 16 teeth that needed to come out. Needless to say, I was quite sore after it was all said and done as she did each one locally, and didn’t put me under to do it. I believe it was against their regulations to put anyone under, and they had you sign a waiver letting you know as much. She shot Novocaine for each tooth and all I can say I was MIGHTY GLAD when it was over!

    Of course I had a lot of swelling to deal with and go away, but I was fitted for new dentures this past Tuesday and am doing a LOT better! I just went back to work a couple days ago, and folks were shocked when they saw me with new teeth!

    I can also say that had I stayed with PKG and all the money I was shelling out, I could have NEVER got this work done! Incidentally, the clinic pulled my teeth for free, but I had to go to the regular dentist for the dentures. Money that I had saved back for the dentures would more than likely be in PKG’s coffers had I still been with them.

    So as they say there’s a light at the end of every tunnel……………..indeed there is, and it’s a bright one for me! 😀


  22. I had two molars pulled out a couple of years ago…..

    I made the guy inject pain killer into my gums I think 5 times (because the novacaine or whatever they were using was not working).

    My jaw was numb for like 3 days.

    Very expensive…I think $650 for each molar, I had one done first, and 6 months later had the other molar pulled.

    Oy vey….that’s modern health care……


  23. I’ve known people both from the world of Armstrongism, and regular, secular people, who for long term financial reasons, were missing teeth. For years, although they tried to make the best of it, this was a source of self-consciousness for them, and affected many of the social aspects of their lives. Getting a good set of dentures really did improve the quality of their lives, attitudes, and effectiveness in the various roles they played.

    Flash back to sometime in 1973 or 1974, after it was first realized that the Germans had no intention of invading the USA. Pasadena Bible study Friday night, Ambassador College gymnasium. Herbert W. Armstrong was reading a letter from a member somewhere out in the field, who stated that she was glad that “God had postponed” the end times, and seemed to be giving us more time to do the work, because now she intended to get her teeth fixed. HWA’s comment was that he certainly hoped that all of the brethren didn’t feel this way, or the income for the “work” would go way down.

    Here people had had a sense of deep urgency, making many personal sacrifices as we moved towards the date which they had given us, and HWA’s teaching and expectations were that they would just continue to do this! In the world of Armstrongism, that was and is the role of prophecy and the end times! It doesn’t necessarily matter to either the leaders or the followers whether the dates pan out, or continually need revising, because the prophecy is not so much a warning or forecast relevant to individual quality of life, but simply to create a state of fear motivation and urgency. The prophets in the Old Testament definitively knew events in advance of their occurrence. The role of a prophet was never an on the job training scenario, with accompanying failures. This negative world view is a pervasive attitude which sticks with people usually for the rest of their lives. Some of the people who left decades ago still read news about Europe, weather patterns, the economy, and health trends, and take the old Armstrongian gloom and impending doom point of view. The truth is, good stuff regularly happens as well as bad. If we place undue emphasis on bad, and expect conditions to always trend downwards, it can prevent us from appreciating the many good things (blessings?) that happen in our lives. It is indeed a blessing to be able to get teeth repaired or replaced. A true minister should be encouraging that, and possibly even assisting in facillitating it!



  24. Indeed, the Church of God Seventh Day regularly gathers volunteers who are experts to go to the poor in Mexico and give them free dental care.

    I don’t suppose that the Weinlands would ever consider paying for such programs out of PKG donations… out of the kindness of their tender hearts.


  25. Ron got his teeth worked on a few years ago, who do you think paid for it? That’s cause he’s better than you. He’s not going to be embarrassed by missing teeth , cause he’s earned the right to have the best dental care , that you are paying for. Well , never again. If I’m fixing teeth, mine will be first. If I want to help someone else I will, and I won’t need Rons permission. No more driving a beater, and running around with rotten teeth so Ron can drive a BMW. Those days are over.


  26. I’m guessing Ron won’t be healthy enough to even write a blog post.

    I suspect however that Ron will apply Rev 10:11 to himself, I forget if he already did or not.

    (Rev 10:11) And he said to me, You must prophesy again before many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.


  27. Another prophecy Ron will attach to himself is the “famine of the word” prophecy. Since he is sick and will probably not be able to put in the effort to write a blog post.


  28. We been gone out of town 3 days and Maggie called here 2 times she has not called mom in years great I love to tell the truth and they call bitching mom out !!!!


  29. Hello to everyone.
    Been a while since I’ve commented. Just life taking it’s toll. Nice to log on and see that Mike is keeping the outsiders informed and any newbies from becoming indoctrinated by the cult of Ron and Laura. ☺️


  30. The primary job of the Two Witlesses begins in November? I thought they were done already. I’m sensing a lack of cohesiveness to Profit Ron’s posts. If I didn’t know better, I’d swear he was making this up as he goes along. Really.


  31. Hi Randy, What did Maggie have to bitch at your mom about, and why twice, did she actually talk to your mom ( I bet that was upsetting for her ) or just leave messages, sounds like she is lashing out for some reason


  32. When you read the post that Mike listed here in this section it becomes clear that this guy (ron) is off his rocker. The only thing I am aware of during this ” last year of dedication” is his heart attack! It appears that he (ron) is lacking in his fasting – do as i say not as i do

    It is the same old story of one failed prediction after another. Wake up folks and challenge this nut case once and for all!! I wonder how the monthly fasting is going? Probably not to good. This is really the “dedicated year of failure”!


  33. Curious in Michigan
    I don’t we where at my sister she left no mess. I don’t think mom called her back yet !!!!!!!


  34. Sounds like the loss of some big money has had a toll on ole’ Ronnie Boy. GREAT! Stress could be the culprit for lil’ Ron the Con’s heart condition this time. Stress due to the lack of tithe funds and some angry money grubbing bitches at home. Namely Laurdass and Audrass not being able to blow tithe cash in a silly fashion any longer on a whim and in excess on over the top luxuries and lifestyle wants. HA HA! No mercy here. The first heart attack was likely living large and gouging his face well as the Weinscums do.

    It has to be stress. Ron isn’t getting fat in prison and can not indulge himself with whatever he pleases. Hopefully, Ron is feeling some of the stress and anxiety he has put so many others thru. I will make it clear I do not wish for bad things to happen to anyone………………EXCEPT ALL OF THE WEINLANDS, of course. PIGS!

    I do hope Ron leaves prison in a body bags. He deserves that and his scumbag thieving family should suffer the consequences and enjoy a nice taste of poverty with the loss of False Daddy the 5 Star dining meal ticket. Call me a jerk. I don’t care.


  35. It’s ironic that Ron’s previous blog post is about Satan’s waning powers.

    Then God’s most formidable prophet gets a massive heart attack.


  36. Just out of curiosity:

    Does anyone have PROOF Ron had a heart attack? Since no one knows fro sure and no one in the {KG is saying anything, is it not possible that we are being played? That someone started this “rumor” to make us look like we have been exposed as the mindless sheep we ourselves call the PKG, merely bleating out gossip while doing NO thorough research. Mike (DDTFA) has hesitantly reported this (possible) rumor and it is been run with. I would think we stand to look like we deal in rumor and gossip, and thus the actual truth of Ron’s crimes and lies will be ignored by the PKG because they will have found what they think is justification to ignore anything we say.

    Since there is no proof, and nothing has changed over at the PKG…it is safe to assume Ron has NOT had a heart attack…


    1. No, we don’t have PROOF, such as a copy of a medical chart. However, I’ve received this report from multiple sources which have been reliable in the past. I believe it more likely true than not that Ron had a heart attack of some kind.


  37. Mike (DDTFA) has been spot on with the info for these last few years, so I am inclined t believe/trust that he has done his homework. Thank you, Mike. Now if it is indeed true that Ron has had a heart attack, watch the family spin it as part of Ron’s anti-Christ lies and false ministry. If Ron dies now the Weinscums will spin it as prophecy and proceed with stealing even more tithes from the remaining senile PKG sheep that are too scared of life to leave a cult.

    Personally I don’t have a dog in this fight, but if Ron is taken out by his own failing health, I will raise a beer to the sky and toast Randy Terlecki…


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